From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: editor and word processor history (was: Re: RTF for emacs) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 21:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87ha4d64r2.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87bnuho13m.fsf@debian.uxu> <874n09nz3c.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <87a9a0ohfk.fsf@indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401423337 14978 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2014 04:15:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 04:15:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 06:15:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqEE6-0000VS-MM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 06:15:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51370 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqEE6-00029P-3Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 00:15:30 -0400 X-Received: by 10.42.94.8 with SMTP id z8mr4755784icm.3.1401423043250; Thu, 29 May 2014 21:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.79.227 with SMTP id m3mr41865igx.3.1401423043082; Thu, 29 May 2014 21:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!c1no20480002igq.0!news-out.google.com!qf4ni17772igc.0!nntp.google.com!c1no20480001igq.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.15.123; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.15.123 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 04:10:43 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205693 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97963 Archived-At: On Friday, May 30, 2014 9:01:18 AM UTC+5:30, Bob Proulx wrote: > Allan Streib wrote: > > Emanuel Berg writes: > > > For the Unix world, I have read there was once an > > > editor called ed that didn't showed the file being > > > manipulated at all - the "state" of the file, as it was > > > called (unbelievable). > Once was and still is too. The GNU ed is available. > http://www.gnu.org/software/ed/ > > Teletypes and other brands of paper-based "terminals" were commonplace > > then. You didn't need (nor was it practical) for the editor to display > > the contents of the file, when it was already printed on the paper in > > front of you. So you used sed-like search/replace commands. > When I was at university I wrote thousands of lines of code using qed > (a precurser to ed on the old Honeywell GCOS system) and paper > terminals over acoustic coupled modems. If nothing else it will teach > you how to use regular expressions at a very deep level! Editors like > ed are actually very efficient if you know how to use them. > > Even the first CRTs were dumb (aka "glass teletypes") and didn't have > > addressable cursors. You cloud clear and redraw the screen maybe, which > > was painful at 110 or 300 baud. > Agreed. Very painful. From first hand experience. > Here is a funny modern day ed story. : : > I still prefer emacs however. Yeah I had a friend who staunchly believed that using ed would clarify the thoughts and purify the soul. I sometimes get the feel that we emacs users look like analogous cartoons to the current generation.