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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Eduardo, I probably never came across that thread. But yeah, that perso= n seems to be echoing my frustration. I could probably watch David Wilson'= s videos but I chose to read the Emacs docs and following the instruction = in there and use the extensions recommended in there.. I went that route b= ut was hitting road blocks after road block. I would have got through ever= y tiny detail if I had the time but ultimately I had to give up! Although,= I might soon try to do it again or follow David Wilson. But the point is = why not just make a user friendly interface? How can a new comer like VS C= ode come and grab the market and a powerful tool like Emacs can't? I wish = I had started with Emacs as my first editor. That way I would have been ab= le to stick with it for life! Transitioning from one tool/editor to anothe= r is also frustrating and that's why I wish I should have started with Ema= cs. Thanks, Raj On Nov 26, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Eduardo Ochs wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 at 14:59, Raj Divecha via Bug reports f= or GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors = wrote: I wish I could contribute but unfortunately I am stuck with my bre= ad & butter job. I am a seasoned systems engineer and mostly work on C/C++= /Python, validating features of various ICs that my company manufactures a= nd I know if I want I can work on this non-trivial change but at the end o= f the day my bread & butter job takes priority over everything else. Just = out of curiosity, what will it take to get this done? Is there a document = I can review and get a feel for the amount of work? And approximately, how= many engineers do you think are needed to work on this and the different = expertise required? LISP is kind of dead and the users might need Python t= o customize their interface, thus, I believe both LISP and Python will hav= e to be supported simultaneously. Hi Raj, have you read this thread? https= ://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-10/msg00018.html https://li= sts.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-10/threads.html#00018 Cheers, Ed= uardo Ochs --Apple-Webmail-42--62f4e92a-d71a-4812-aa68-b9307cd640b3 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Webmail-86--62f4e92a-d71a-4812-aa68-b9307cd640b3 --Apple-Webmail-86--62f4e92a-d71a-4812-aa68-b9307cd640b3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8;
Hi Eduardo,

I probably never came a= cross that thread. But yeah, that person seems to be echoing my frustratio= n. I could probably watch David Wilson's videos but I chose to read the Em= acs docs and following the instruction in there and use the extensions rec= ommended in there.. I went that route but was hitting road blocks after ro= ad block. I would have got through every tiny detail if I had the time but= ultimately I had to give up! Although, I might soon try to do it again or= follow David Wilson. But the point is why not just make a user friendly i= nterface? How can a new comer like VS Code come and grab the market and a = powerful tool like Emacs can't?

I wish I had = started with Emacs as my first editor. That way I would have been able to = stick with it for life! Transitioning from one tool/editor to another is a= lso frustrating and that's why I wish I should have started with Emacs.

Thanks,
Raj

On Nov 26, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Eduardo Och= s <eduardoochs@gmail.com> wrote:


On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 at 14:59, Raj Divecha via Bug repor= ts for GNU
Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <b= ug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
wrote:

I wish I could contribute but unfortunately I a= m stuck with my bread
& butter job. I am a seasoned syst= ems engineer and mostly work on
C/C++/Python, validating fea= tures of various ICs that my company
manufactures and I know= if I want I can work on this non-trivial
change but at the = end of the day my bread & butter job takes
priority over= everything else.

Just out of curiosity, what= will it take to get this done? Is there
a document I can re= view and get a feel for the amount of work? And
approximatel= y, how many engineers do you think are needed to work on
thi= s and the different expertise required? LISP is kind of dead and
=
the users might need Python to customize their interface, thus, I
=
believe both LISP and Python will have to be supported
simultaneously.

Hi Raj,

have you read this thread?

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