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Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:30:44 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x6JFRmAo145526; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:30:44 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tt77jcf4r-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:30:43 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x6JFUgLl031974; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:30:42 GMT In-Reply-To: <<831rymul58.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4861.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9322 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907190168 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9322 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907190168 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163428 Archived-At: > Since this feature is proposed for core Emacs, we are by definition > talking about "emacs -Q", not about Ivy or Helm. The latter have > infrastructure on which to build the feature you want without any > changes in core. Core Emacs could have such behavior. It's not about what I want for my own use (I use Icicles, which provides all of that and more). We're discussing what vanilla Emacs could do. This bug thread is a "feature request", and one specifically to "insert char by hex tab completion...". > > > it can be used for that, but with very low efficiency and user- > friendliness. > > > > That's too big a generalization to be helpful in this > > discussion. >=20 > Generalizations are sometimes useful tools for making decisions and > getting one's point across. Another generalization not helpful in this context. Even a platitude, with which few would disagree. If you really want to make the point that completion implies "very low efficiency and user-friendliness", and you think that belongs in this discussion then I suggest some evidence and specifics would help your argument. As only an opinion stated in such general terms I don't find it useful in the present context; sorry. > > > So we should not judge the need for completion by considering any > > > use cases other than just completion, i.e. finding a specific charact= er > > > or a small group of related characters. > > > > Need? How about value and usefulness? >=20 > Indeed, I think it would be useless, even harmful. A good place to end.