From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Roland Hughes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40697: 25.3; sort-lines not accepting reverse parameter Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <875zdw7ot2.fsf@gmail.com> <837dyck320.fsf@gnu.org> <834ktfk4he.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="43523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 Cc: stepnem@gmail.com, 40697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 15:42:29 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQADM-000BAx-9l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Original-Received: from 50-201-197-203-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([50.201.197.203]:60914 helo=[192.168.1.110]) by box5101.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQABu-002t35-HB; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:40:58 -0600 In-Reply-To: <834ktfk4he.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box5101.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - logikalsolutions.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 50.201.197.203 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1jQABu-002t35-HB X-Source-Sender: 50-201-197-203-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([192.168.1.110]) [50.201.197.203]:60914 X-Source-Auth: roland@logikalsolutions.com X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bG9naWthbHM7bG9naWthbHM7Ym94NTEwMS5ibHVlaG9zdC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178634 Archived-At: On 4/19/20 8:08 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: stepnem@gmail.com, 40697@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: Roland Hughes >> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:48:19 -0500 >> >> The wording in the help text is rather expert friendly. A user coming in >> cold to Emacs is going to interpret "prefix argument" as >> >> [GOLD]-7 REVERSE sort-lines [RETURN] > I can only say that I used the terminology and style that are used > everywhere in our doc strings. Yeah, I know. Not slamming you. Just pointing out the reason more people, especially from non-Linux platforms don't use Emacs is the "expert friendly" doc and culture around it. One must know all of the secret handshakes to join the club. New people, especially from a Windows world, aren't willing to do that. The GUI version of Emacs was a giant step in the right direction. Combined with EDT emulation it can eliminate needing to know most of the super secret handshakes. Perhaps the "correct" solution here is for EDT or the sort- maintainers to add -reverse versions of each method so they are a single command with a common naming format requiring no super secret handshakes. [GOLD]-7 sort-lines [RETURN] [GOLD]-7 sort-lines-reverse [RETURN] same with numbers and a few of the others. They would just be a wrapper layer, but they would provide an easily digestible interface for those not looking to become one with the internals of Emacs or Linux. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com http://www.logikalblog.com http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog