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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261724 Archived-At: > > However, according to Wikipedia, modal dialogues are used > > > "to command user awareness and to display emergency states" > > > inherently contradicting what we say above. Maybe I'm the only one who > > sees a contradiction here. > > Emacs does not fit Wikipedia's general statement, > but I don't see that it ought to fit. > > The idea of y-or-n-p and yes-or-no-p is that for less important > questions, where saying yes by mistake is not so bad, you can answer > in one character. When more confirmation should be required, we use > yes-or-no-p so you must answer with four characters. > > It just happened that the former was easy to do by reading an event and > the only easy way to do the latter was with a minibuffer. So the > former turned out to be "modal" and the latter turned out not to be. > > But I don't see that that matters particularly. It could have helped to establish guidelines for asking questions in a more consistent and less adhocish way. But since Eli here asked for an option to restore some previous behavior only, I won't insist further. martin