From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, 37774@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#37774: 27.0.50; new :extend attribute broke visuals of all themes and other packages
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:17:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d141ae63-5217-3481-6e71-222f2fe1b57c@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83tv746y3x.fsf@gnu.org>
On 16.11.2019 10:09, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Well, it kind of does. At least, if the default value of the new
>> attribute is in line with the previous behavior, most faces won't have
>> to change.
>
> I was talking about the case where the defface we have for that face
> DOES use the new attribute. In that case, the default value of the
> attribute doesn't matter, since the defface uses some specific value,
> and that will always be a non-default value.
My point is those should be more rare. Or, well, bring significant value
somehow.
> IOW, whenever we introduce a new face attribute and use it to modify
> the defface of a built-in face, this problem will pop up.
Yes. But in some of those cases third-party faces would not have to be
updated. And if the default doesn't change the behavior from the
previous Emacs releases, they certainly wouldn't have to be updated
right away.
>> Another option that had been voiced is to split the value into two
>> attributes: :extend-foreground and :extend-background.
>
> But :extend is not just about colors, it is also about underline,
> overline, strike-through, and box attributes. In fact, the underline
> attribute was an even more important one, because extending it looks
> exceptionally ugly (we even had a few bug reports about that).
I think the idea for this approach is to consider underline, overline,
strike-through to be a part of foreground. Maybe box as well, I'm not sure.
>> But that brings me to a question. I think whether the 'region' face has
>> :extend-background to nil or not is a personal choice. Would the user
>> have to fight and convince the author of the theme they are using to
>> change that attribute? Or will it be easy to apply personal
>> customization and call it a day?
>
> Why would using a theme need anything beyond a simple face
> customization to modify :extend (or any other attribute)? The author
> of a theme can do what they think is best, but users can always
> override that by customizing the face after loading the theme.
OK, good. :-)
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2019-10-16 7:00 bug#37774: 27.0.50; new :extend attribute broke visuals of all themes and other packages Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 8:12 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 14:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-16 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 8:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-16 9:17 ` martin rudalics
2019-10-16 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 11:38 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-16 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-10-16 11:17 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 12:08 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 13:18 ` Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-10-16 13:33 ` Andrey Orst
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2019-10-16 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 18:13 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-17 19:05 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-17 20:38 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-17 11:36 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-10-17 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-17 16:18 ` Michael Albinus
2019-10-17 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 17:27 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 18:07 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 18:18 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 19:52 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-10-17 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-10-17 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-10-17 14:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-10-20 20:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-21 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-23 12:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-23 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-23 16:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-23 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-23 20:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-24 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-24 17:04 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-17 22:22 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-18 5:28 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-18 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-19 20:53 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 15:42 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21 21:29 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-18 8:25 ` martin rudalics
2019-10-18 12:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-18 13:04 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-17 13:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-17 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-17 13:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-16 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 19:46 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 20:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-16 20:23 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 20:37 ` Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-10-17 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-17 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-10-17 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-16 20:23 ` Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-10-16 11:33 ` Andrey Orst
2019-10-16 15:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-31 16:06 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2019-10-31 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 16:26 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2019-11-06 17:06 ` martin rudalics
2019-11-07 13:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-08 9:20 ` martin rudalics
2019-11-08 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-08 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-12-05 16:48 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-05 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-11 10:52 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2019-11-11 19:03 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2019-11-14 11:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 14:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-14 22:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-15 8:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-15 23:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-16 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-16 8:17 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-11-23 23:20 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-24 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-26 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-25 0:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-12-05 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-12-06 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 16:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-06 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 1:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-07 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 17:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-07 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 18:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-07 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 0:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-08 3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 10:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-08 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 21:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-09 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-12-09 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-12-11 23:02 ` Juri Linkov
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2019-12-13 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 21:30 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-28 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-28 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
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