From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan Lange" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Bazaar repository Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:04:14 +1100 Message-ID: References: <87skyvse7k.fsf@xmission.com> <47DA3601.3040507@arbash-meinel.com> <87r6ecsww7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200803180148.m2I1m0dB003724@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205975131 5843 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2008 01:05:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: "Andreas Schwab" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 20 02:06:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jc9DP-0007BI-F9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:05:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc9Cp-0005Yu-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc9Ch-0005Tq-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc9Cc-0005QC-8k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc9Cc-0005Q9-5v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:04:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.186]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc9Cb-0000oZ-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so785932fkx.10 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:04:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=IoSWaRKoJtgzSX3bkfLoWs0gls6lE8nELClpurs3Kwg=; b=iizmiUvXryZQmWm4PquvA9QiKRG0sKEaBqvirKxsFc3Mozp6k0yv+qWerdQAVzn00S+ubO1nf71+nPeuUnw/sdZOEzT5bdFrnOT+/DGOPeXCB8ae2pS5Kdi+BnXhKWOuJ7gRu9r+0NMS/wnOxKOrN+meJsYmEC8C+zJ5e6WZK+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DLTsarlhgdZZ57+tCba/X4OnTM2GLfZonTcCRu3/ndzuHAd/Ng/vnByetnzDekmAyfWxTNe+NubMuSDteXHEL2ylwwhvDy+RNCqxDiits5mjuF9HasLR1+hDru+42ODOe/dpy/R+ynI18+PxSFPFza6i/FIaAO24OLw+UuDm4ZM= Original-Received: by 10.78.189.5 with SMTP id m5mr3028744huf.77.1205975055189; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.78.149.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:04:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c24c9c5238e121d6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93027 Archived-At: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > This question is over and decided. > > We will use GNU Bzr, because it is a GNU package. > > That is a very bad move. That will mean that nobody will be able to > effectively work on emacs any more. > I don't know about that. I hacked the README file and replaced every 'e' with an 'o' (emulating a common typo for me). cvs diff takes over 5 seconds, Bazaar takes under 1. It took me a lot longer to get the Bazaar repository than it did to get the Emacs working tree, but now that I have it, lots of basic operations are faster. My CVS skills are really, really rusty, so this might not be a fair comparison, but 'bzr status' takes about 0.3 seconds while 'cvs status' takes about 8 seconds. Also, although this is a bit subjective, I find the output of 'bzr status' a lot more helpful for quickly assessing what I've changed. Most working days, I really only[1] use 'status', 'diff', 'merge', 'branch', 'revert', 'commit' and basic file ops like 'add' and 'mv'. These benefit greatly from local access. jml [1] Well, those are the primitives I use. I also frequently use 'shelve' and 'unshelve' from the rather sweet bzrtools plugin.