From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17872: 24.4.50; "primitive" in (elisp) `Advising Functions' and similar nodes Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1404052656 15503 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2014 14:37:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:37:36 +0000 (UTC) To: 17872@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 29 16:37:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GES-0006BH-7C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:37:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57901 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GEP-0006gx-Gq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40525) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GEC-0006gi-Pu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:37:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GE2-0002PN-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GE2-0002PH-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GE1-0006HI-VQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 17872 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.140405257824070 (code B ref -1); Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:37:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2014 14:36:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36890 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GDJ-0006G9-TO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GDG-0006Fq-6P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:36:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GD0-00021H-MD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GD0-00021C-JK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GCr-0006ce-Rp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GCh-0001yw-RZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X1GCh-0001ym-LR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:35:39 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s5TEZcgA000349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:35:38 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5TEZbWc025050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:35:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5TEZbxb001255 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:35:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:90961 Archived-At: Please use some other term than "primitive" for what is intended here. The term "primitive" already has a different meaning in Emacs, which you can find by using `i primitive RET' in the Elisp manual: "primitive" A function which is callable from Lisp but is actually written in C. Primitives are also called "built-in functions", or "subrs". Examples include functions like `car' and `append'. In addition, all special forms (see below) are also considered primitives. Usually, a function is implemented as a primitive because it is a fundamental part of Lisp (e.g., `car'), or because it provides a low-level interface to operating system services, or because it needs to run fast. Unlike functions defined in Lisp, primitives can be modified or added only by changing the C sources and recompiling Emacs. See *note Writing Emacs Primitives::. The things being referred to in node `Advising Functions' and other nodes (its children, at least) as "primitives", are NOT primitives. They are either macros (e.g. `add-function') or ordinary Lisp functions (e.g. `advice-add'). This confuses rather than helps Emacs users. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-06-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 117359 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20140617193358-2t1nl1te9gc2mq= rx Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include''