From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Corcoles Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interest in a Cosmopolitan build? Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2023 21:16:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17506"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.40.4 (3.40.4-9.el9) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 08 21:17:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r0ozc-0004O1-Vy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 21:17:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0oz3-0007YB-Rh; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 15:17:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0oz2-0007Xw-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 15:17:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com ([209.85.128.44]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0oz0-000470-Cq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 15:17:03 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-408002b5b9fso208525e9.3 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 12:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699474620; x=1700079420; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:date:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gIke0Kctzw8D1TFLlL1qo9gH4781P0mv8tjAHsjfEks=; b=fYAihbHUqH9WMTIq+HWRPdBRtiDpyEDl5Y0dDQsjfTrM2SzkXEo+TkXKY/w2gSPW2l t5XiEnReJDzQaZnlyhUxqBU83Mn7vlaKUEVfYw2utnApSasmmF35azhcorX0hQ3g+C/t 8wqcUMNwxPn/vsap1ctORoLq6VqFX0e1jfFoK7oqsBTLQ8dUcbugmKdL/0WTIyqoskY7 7MOb4qmuLwcUUXrWfUG24q2tV3luvNFSVUENozVsQwpEZ2wuOYlcj9Q/fRfIomZ1N/DA aLKyRQV3ubtBwB3SSbh+7m5m8MdAgceIXHSCte8D2WzxODfbNnwHstPm/9ry0Mlfwfce ankQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwxmaTfnZcCIeWVtTPFSpzoKUIJbTXfdq8a1hVdc9WRcefGUCVO z/Zwte+iT/s2vDxczs3Za7iLB07OB55y3Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFN8XCd7zINv648C0QvO4VMhfVPaoKcOuQCfR7I81ad9TL4YUrJvBqhqn8okUMi52ru+Wdgbg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1d07:b0:409:5a92:4711 with SMTP id l7-20020a05600c1d0700b004095a924711mr2667144wms.34.1699474620276; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 12:17:00 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from molly.mad.int.pdp7.net ([79.116.36.51]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u2-20020a05600c138200b0040a3d8f61dbsm73545wmf.40.2023.11.08.12.16.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Nov 2023 12:16:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.128.44; envelope-from=koalillo@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-f44.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312360 Archived-At: On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 12:00 -0500, emacs-devel-request@gnu.org wrote: > From: Emanuel Berg > Message-ID: <87edh0k2jf.fsf@dataswamp.org> >    Cosmopolitan Libc makes C a build-once run-anywhere >    language, like Java, except it doesn't need an interpreter >    or virtual machine. [1] > Sounds interesting! > I wonder how they do that? If I understand correctly, they found a way to make something that fits all executable formats that major OSs support, plus they embed a zip with binaries and dependencies (e.g. parts of /usr/ for Emacs), plus they even convinced the POSIX stewards to loosen up the definition of what's an executable. Plus a new libc... > > Even though Cosmopolitan can be considered controversial > > Why is it controversial? I'm not entirely sure their means to achieve their objectives are "clean". Also, it's yet another libc. Some people I've discussed the idea with were a bit hostile towards it. Cheers, Álex