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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247579 Archived-At: On 23.04.2020 10:04, Ahmed Khanzada wrote: > Looking at the amount of currently maintained elisp packages online > these days, I suspect Emacs actually has more users than ever, it is > just that our segment of the overall market is smaller. And yet, the number of core contributors stays where it was, at best. > Let's say tomorrow Emacs is like VS Code running Emacs Lisp in a Guile > VM. Is the idea that if we compete in the same modes as the modernist > editors, we can steal enough people from them that we will advance the > cause of free software? Sure. But also how about just "help more people enjoy Emacs's power and flexibility"? We don't really have to compete for the _exact_ same audience. But we can expand ours.