From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15962: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:18:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<0691bec9-b582-4681-8245-ee3d05225485@default>> <<83d2llakw6.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385569162 15349 80.91.229.3 (27 Nov 2013 16:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15962@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 17:19:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlhpm-0006aU-5a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:19:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36644 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlhpl-0005Dk-DD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:19:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45763) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlhpZ-0005Cn-QV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:19:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlhpO-0002JO-UR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:19:13 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33863) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlhpO-0002JK-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlhpO-00065c-3X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:19:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 15962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15962.138556910423355 (code B ref 15962); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2013 16:18:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47882 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlhol-00064d-L6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:18:24 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27891) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlhoj-00064O-3R for 15962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rARGIEfQ008639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:18:15 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rARGIDiI002412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:18:14 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rARGIDWD002396; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:18:13 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83d2llakw6.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:81030 Archived-At: > Please try to gather a few more data points. It is important to know > if this happens with special frames, or with normal ones as well. What do you mean by "special frames"? Thumbnail frames are normal frames, as I described. They are just small. And I think, but am not sure, that I got the crashes also when clicking in a non-thumbnail frame. > > My unfounded guess is still that it is just the change of focus that > > provokes the crash. >=20 > Then it would be a mystery, because then everybody on Windows should > have these crashes all the time. That doesn't follow. How many users use multiple frames? And how many use a standalone minibuffer frame? And yes, no doubt my `default-frame-alist' is different from most. And so on. > There's still something special to your configuration or usage > patterns, I think. Certainly my Emacs is highly customized. If the problem arises only with some one or more of the thousands of differences between my setup and `emacs -Q', good luck trying to guess which one or more setting differences might be revealing the Emacs bug? Even just user option value differences probably number in the dozens. Might be quicker to look at all Emacs changes since before these crashes were reported... Perhaps the code that produces the backtrace can be improved to give better info? If it essentially just says, "No idea; something crashed", then it isn't much help, at least in this case.