From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Raffaele Ricciardi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:50:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417532145 20925 80.91.229.3 (2 Dec 2014 14:55:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:55:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 02 15:55:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XvorY-0007IB-Fv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:55:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37237 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvorY-0000Cr-6M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:55:36 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 15 Original-X-Trace: individual.net HuENZV0Z69FJ+vcZy/ZD/g4tyNf07S+SKbbKYG6hGm/0jkXCRB Cancel-Lock: sha1:mgCEb8zPhrruaGdwhFjytn4aJW4= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209089 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101368 Archived-At: On 30/11/14 01:06, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The old Emacs pros sometimes like to say you shouldn't > spend too much time configuring Emacs, you shouldn't > get stuck in that, it is ultimately impractical, etc. The problem is that old Emacs pros don't explain the Emacs work-flow to novices and therefore novices are left to "connect the dots" on their own. When novices fail to connect some dots, they resort to configure Emacs to achieve some goals in a way that they know. Moreover, in my experience, vanilla Emacs lacks many convenient commands (or at least some efficient key bindings for available convenient commands) and some standard commands feel counterintuitive. I understand that this is for historical reasons, and I am not complaining about it, but nonetheless this is the way it is. Hence the need to spend much time configuring Emacs.