From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Fix some tooltip related problems Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <5A533FA4.4030507@gmx.at> <9384bae5-cbb9-4b4d-ac5c-1d01f01c8117@default> <5A53B633.5020706@gmx.at> <41d40db5-15d8-4b2c-a058-fb6dabc8bfd3@default> <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515510477 3292 195.159.176.226 (9 Jan 2018 15:07:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:07:57 +0000 (UTC) To: martin rudalics , emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 09 16:07:53 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYvVC-0008RB-O4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:07:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57259 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYvXA-0004hS-3q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:09:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYvWQ-0004gh-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:09:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYvWN-0005Vg-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:09:02 -0500 Original-Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:39844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYvWN-0005SG-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:08:59 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w09F7FHX192533; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:08:49 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=Dqov/s3UcQXCQfTiCp1ib/9Elt10R27smSUdOzkhCQQ=; b=ZWd+v6kF1TXr0YDRYEOjpnvLqqO65AZxm5C5EClKPeJz+BFG51c3xf6Lh+U6CHnPTioe W8UMU0XhGaP+EccxJzmx34muWkjFjmnjg3j9kGa9LUPAkJhJ0Sl2Kpd6dJe8wMD2uIMG 0/9UMHYFFEpdhQn0Hkgcn+g/kXBp6Haj3VuY69puQlKAxXY1kZNhvzl2mb0iaPZxERTH k4hot1yQ6qPLsQ5ushkhX7G8JBvtydQ57YYj6nWTDFMxNfc7W18mUZcQ4o8vx7JjtEqm +01brWoReK+KdnACOAobhxfzXHUkVan6vzWc3DYq+861DjgBos8hI89QKPwfceYeuTeT ag== Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2fcyx1r4up-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:08:49 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w09F8mXU024979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:08:48 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w09F8juG011207; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:08:48 GMT In-Reply-To: <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8768 signatures=668652 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801090214 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221760 Archived-At: > > I guess you mean this tooltip: > > > > mouse-1: Select (drag to resize) > > mouse-2: Make current window occupy the whole frame > > mouse-3: Remove current window from display > > > > As one user, in that context I'd rather still see those > > mouse actions shown in a tooltip, for info/learning > > purposes. >=20 > The info is wrong and nothing can be learned from wrong info. The same is true of most (probably all) of the places where we show a dimmed menu item: the action is "inapplicable". That doesn't mean that showing it is "wrong" and that "nothing can be learned" from seeing it. A lot CAN be learned from such info. That's why we (and zillions of other applications) show it - dimmed. > > It would be good to dim them, however. >=20 > There's no option to do that and there won't be any > with system tooltips. Why not? Are you saying that this _cannot_ be done or only that you've decided that it "won't" be done? If the latter, why? > > What's the reason for this change? >=20 > To stop showing misleading information. See above. It's not misleading, if you dim it. Showing "Edit > Cut" is not misleading when "Cut" is "inapplicable" but it is dimmed to show that cutting is not currently available.