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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Fix some tooltip related problems
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:08:44 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ce1bdb07-0cd9-48ac-a40e-4ba43444a536@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at>

>  > I guess you mean this tooltip:
>  >
>  >   mouse-1: Select (drag to resize)
>  >   mouse-2: Make current window occupy the whole frame
>  >   mouse-3: Remove current window from display
>  >
>  > As one user, in that context I'd rather still see those
>  > mouse actions shown in a tooltip, for info/learning
>  > purposes.
> 
> The info is wrong and nothing can be learned from wrong info.

The same is true of most (probably all) of the places
where we show a dimmed menu item: the action is
"inapplicable".  That doesn't mean that showing it is
"wrong" and that "nothing can be learned" from seeing it.

A lot CAN be learned from such info.  That's why we
(and zillions of other applications) show it - dimmed.

>  > It would be good to dim them, however.
> 
> There's no option to do that and there won't be any
> with system tooltips.

Why not?

Are you saying that this _cannot_ be done or only that
you've decided that it "won't" be done?  If the latter,
why?

>  > What's the reason for this change?
> 
> To stop showing misleading information.

See above.  It's not misleading, if you dim it.
Showing "Edit > Cut" is not misleading when "Cut"
is "inapplicable" but it is dimmed to show that
cutting is not currently available.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-09 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-08  9:53 Fix some tooltip related problems martin rudalics
2018-01-08 14:41 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-08 18:19   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-08 18:50     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-09  9:42       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-09 15:08         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-01-10 10:20           ` martin rudalics
2018-01-10 15:55             ` Drew Adams
2018-01-10 19:17               ` Alan Third
2018-01-10 21:02                 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-10 23:04                   ` Alan Third
2018-01-10 23:26                     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11  3:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-11  7:03                 ` Yuri Khan
2018-01-11 14:32                   ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 10:56               ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 14:42                 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 17:06                   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 17:19                     ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-11 17:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-11 18:20                         ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 23:33                         ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-01-12  8:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-12  8:40                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-12  9:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-12 13:57                             ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-12 14:15                               ` Philipp Stephani
2018-01-11 19:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-11 23:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-12  8:48                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-11 18:09                     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 18:54                       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 19:50                         ` Drew Adams
2018-01-12  8:47                           ` martin rudalics
2018-01-12 16:43                             ` Drew Adams
2018-01-08 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-08 19:06   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-08 19:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-09  9:42       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-19 18:54 ` martin rudalics

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