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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321010 Archived-At: Hi Alan, On 01/07/2024 13:07, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > The above is true, but it misses the point. That point is that once the > Emacs maintenance team has added a_default_ binding, that can never in > the future be changed. People will scream "backward compatibility" > until the heat death of the universe. People screaming "backward compatibility" for each and every reason can indeed be a problem. We should be able to change default key bindings more freely than we do now.