From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Make new buffer from menu Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2022 07:20:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3BpVZiHtJ2qfvYFaoGSD6wsXiZ9I4gzw1gPBRi3VA8jvDWEJx119h77NiqZkLEqmAZmX1AyjWJN6zBgZwHwRU1wqpTqthx9-BO0Sx34z-80=@protonmail.com> <5h9uQSeZVWQNo6OeB1lac6mQnYqWfJf2IWjomv-R470AYZXCp1XTXDqml7feE3C8NqCG-kmA46BveaNQlAuNnyLRednceriPZ1PymtdU3wc=@protonmail.com> <837cz7d5q0.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33644"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 04 08:21:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p1jJO-0008XC-Hd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2022 08:21:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1jId-0006BI-R8; Sun, 04 Dec 2022 02:20:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1jIb-0006B0-2u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2022 02:20:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1jIY-000572-W6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2022 02:20:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1670138422; x=1670397622; bh=USwOVfHd4Xak+YogQpui0UBdrBqb0eDkZj5SzSsBHso=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=K4s+wVJHKUaJ1yv0oEJhK4Sk+/oYilu1wMG5gb8Jit4JCAk1ccd/pd1h0ArdVwV2g J3iSFNM0E7BgsbF88cCox6BzvplfY76E0yBi7P0Ks/aotekAb/m8G+9lliXPUthPa8 hfS8zme+jz4CLhdjF/uYw3s+SeNC/acFnPUPOMuFIwS+irOzkyQtty8+jHEkbJiX8K TLxI5yT4bd4ZhTxevxkzmPOVRtLq4bJ4ezBlYUCTjpq3ZiSHTvq0n73MJo++WjLoe2 bLHOWoLoo7VJLSztbk0xcXlCYKKk/biEgqj1sWdEOCLAC8iypPJHvq/NXD39wxUPr/ dYXdEX2cbB+Iw== In-Reply-To: <837cz7d5q0.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.137; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40137.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141338 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, December 4th, 2022 at 6:48 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: > > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2022 20:27:21 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > > This is why I stopped offering some to you. > >=20 > > There is significant difference between help and advice Tomas. > >=20 > > Imagine you are struggling to carry a bundle of blankets through > > a narrow door to a storage area, your hands are full, the blankets > > are heavy, and one of them catches on the door. You ask a friend > > to help you. He quickly goes to the door, unsticks the blanket > > and tosses it up over the other blankets so that you can keep moving > > forward. That is help. >=20 >=20 > I'd say you need to adjust your mental model of the situation. >=20 > You are in an unfamiliar street of a large city in a foreign country. The= re > are no friends anywhere around, only more-or-less well-meaning passers-by= . > You are asking for directions to a place you have only a vague idea about= , > in a language that you don't speak well. Some of the passers-by might > misunderstand you, and give you directions to the wrong place. Some other= s > might seem to tell you something important, perhaps pointing to a street = map > on the next corner, but you don't understand them well, and the map is in= a > language you cannot read well enough anyway. Some others will maybe laugh > you off uttering something you don't understand. Now, if you carefully us= e > the dictionary of that language (or maybe nowadays it would be Google > Translate ;-), and ask a specific enough question in terms the passers-by > understand, and if you are lucky enough to ask it someone who has more th= an > 5 sec on their hands to stop and help you, and if that someone also happe= ns > to know the place you are looking for and understand what it is from your > descriptions -- then you will get very concise and precise directions. > Otherwise, you will get a lot of well-meant information some of which is > borderline useless, some interesting to go over when you have more time, = but > not relevant to what you are after now, and some complete hogwash, for an= y > number of reasons. My girlfriends was quite sure I would get shot one day. Still not happened= yet. =20 > This is the kind of situation that requires skills to deal with. One of t= he > potentially useful skills is to be able to read the map on the street > corner, the other is how to ask specific questions, yet another is how to > speak the language of those passers-by and minimize misunderstandings. An= d > there are a few more. >=20 > But none of those skills is ingratitude, let alone hostility, to those wh= o > try to help you as best they can, and for some reason don't hit the nail = on > the head, or not at all. Because more often than not, this is your fault, > not theirs, and they don't owe you anything. It was just about looking at how things were. No hostility, just a comment that I was out of tune with what was being said to me, useless in that sens= e. Emacs needs some improvements in how things get called. It is common to fi= nd the same thing doing multiple things. Anyway, when making new buffer, Emac= s=20 should just make a temporary one, then the user can save it if one wants.