From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:02:01 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cc2be1ea-c97b-40f0-9b13-53c7cfc5310b@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16020.1418545381.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
On Sunday, December 14, 2014 1:53:03 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:45:41 +1000
> Paul Rankin wrote:
> >
> > Please don't perpetuate this kind of false Robin Hood myth, it's
> > wilfully ignorant self-interest under a thin veil of trumped up
> > "people vs the system" garbage. Whatever of this self-deception one
> > practices, the truth is piracy is stealing from real people.
>
> It isn't really stealing because information is not a scarce resource.
>
> The basic misunderstanding is in the fact that some people want to
> treat information as property, in the face of the fact that
> information is not a concept that can be treated in such a way.
>
> The entertainment industry have based their business model on the
> mistaken idea of treating information as property, and now they are
> trying to save it from collapsing by the propaganda that copying is the
> same as stealing. But the vast majority of "entertainment consumers" do
> not fall for that fallacy. The business model of selling information is
> conceptually flawed and should be let to die a bitter death, like any
> other flawed business model.
>
> Artists should make a living by live-performing for audiences and
> securing sponsors to support their creative work. Like the rest of the
> world does. Scientists for example make a living in exactly that way
> --- by being paid to teach science to others and by securing research
> grants. And their creative work is free for everyone to read, copy and
> "consume" free of charge. And this is *never* considered stealing.
> There is no conceptual difference between scientific creativity and
> artistic creativity, and the corresponding "product" (i.e. information)
> should be treated the same way.
>
> What would prevent a famous actor/composer/writer to make fantastic
> money by giving lessons to others in acting/composing/writing? The
> demagogy that poor sorry artists will starve to death if their recorded
> art is being copied instead of purchased is just that --- a demagogy.
Demagogy... yes, I see a demagogy competition here :-)
Consider
1. The market capitalization of google/amazon etc
2. How much that depends on the contributions of GNU/Linux etc
3. Are the reimbursements reasonable (leave aside remotely fair)?
JFTR I am not blaming the money-spinning corps.
Its just that we do not know yet how to make sense of 'ownership'
in a world where suddenly the links between work (aka sweat/blood)
and physical objects is no longer what it used to be.
Want a single point of blame? Consider rms ;-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-14 9:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-12-14 0:46 pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Emanuel Berg
2014-12-14 1:57 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 5:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 5:45 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 8:22 ` Marko Vojinovic
2014-12-14 9:40 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 14:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-14 15:08 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 18:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-14 18:39 ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-14 19:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-14 14:59 ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-14 22:18 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.16023.1418550049.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-23 5:50 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.16020.1418545381.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-14 9:02 ` Rusi [this message]
2014-12-14 9:43 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-23 5:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-12-14 13:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 14:03 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 15:20 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-14 15:25 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-15 8:30 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <mailman.16063.1418578427.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-14 17:54 ` Rusi
2014-12-14 15:22 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 14:01 ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-14 14:39 ` Paul Rankin
2014-12-14 16:08 ` Rasmus
2014-12-14 22:08 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.16048.1418567978.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-17 21:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
[not found] ` <mailman.16043.1418565713.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-23 5:59 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.16017.1418535962.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-23 5:36 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.16010.1418522266.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-22 22:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-24 13:52 ` Glen Stark
2015-03-25 0:54 ` Emanuel Berg
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