From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 58909@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58909: 29.0.50; [WIP PATCH] Deleting the last frame of an emacsclient doesn't ask to save
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:28:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cbe7fa28-a4d0-fb28-ef77-153d3df20454@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837d0fepoz.fsf@gnu.org>
On 10/31/2022 12:52 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:38:04 -0700
>> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 58909@debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> Still,
>> 'C-x C-c' still prompts in that case too. My understanding is that it
>> does so because when an application is waiting for the emacsclient to
>> finish, you can't go back from killing the terminal/client; you *can*
>> (usually) go back if you're only killing a frame.
>
> My interpretation of why "C-x C-c" prompts is that it does the same as
> when you use it from a non-client frame. We want the same UX in both
> cases. "C-x 5 0" should IMO likewise produce the same behavior in
> both cases.
That's actually my goal too: I'd like to ensure that the UX for a client
frame is as similar as possible as for a non-client frame. Since we
disagree on what that similarity should be, I guess that means we have
different mental models for some part of this. If it helps, I'll try to
explain how I think of it.
From a client frame, 'C-x C-c' prompts to save all the file-buffers
associated with that client, and then kills the client, which kills the
frames for that client. That's similar to 'C-x C-c' in a non-client
setting: it kills *all* frames and prompts to save *all* file-buffers.
So I see the client as a "sub" Emacs: it owns some frames and
(partially) owns some buffers. Commands on the client then work on that
subset, and only that subset. Since frames can only be owned by a single
client, in my mind frame commands also work within that client's subset.
For frame-deletion, non-client Emacs lets you kill a single frame via
'C-x 5 0' or clicking the X in the frame's title bar. However, if it's
the last frame, then:
C-x 5 0 -> Error: "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified
frame"
Clicking X -> Call 'save-buffers-kill-emacs' (see 'handle-delete-frame')
To me, that would mean that the matching UX for a client with a single
frame (but possibly other frames for Emacs overall) is:
C-x 5 0 -> Error
Clicking X -> Call 'save-buffers-kill-terminal'
Signaling an error for 'C-x 5 0' seems excessively strict to me, so
calling 'save-buffers-kill-terminal' in both cases seemed like a good
compromise to me. Instead of getting an error, the user gets a prompt,
but can still proceed with killing that frame if they're sure.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-31 20:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-30 22:29 bug#58909: 29.0.50; [WIP PATCH] Deleting the last frame of an emacsclient doesn't ask to save Jim Porter
2022-10-31 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 17:36 ` Jim Porter
2022-10-31 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 19:38 ` Jim Porter
2022-10-31 19:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 20:28 ` Jim Porter [this message]
2022-11-01 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 19:28 ` Jim Porter
2022-10-31 19:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 20:01 ` Jim Porter
2022-10-31 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-31 21:06 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-01 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 16:11 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-01 22:39 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-02 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 16:36 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-02 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 18:17 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-02 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 19:16 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-02 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 19:57 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-02 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 22:09 ` bug#58909: 29.0.50; [PATCH] " Jim Porter
2022-11-03 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 20:23 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-08 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08 15:08 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-08 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08 15:29 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-08 16:52 ` Jim Porter
2022-11-09 10:06 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-17 5:17 ` Jim Porter
2023-09-07 21:03 ` bug#58909: 29.0.50; [WIP PATCH] " Stefan Kangas
2023-09-08 1:21 ` Jim Porter
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