From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 10:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> <85tvdjd1gy.fsf@gmail.com> <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="85825"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org To: Bob Proulx , npostavs@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 10:01:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hURc6-000MBS-Eu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1558771207; bh=LOkcpVQHzxDgNUIdybOLwEtBk5baWZBrFxdzM2zF+60=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FIEL+u/iaMGPA990PfFIUBZfxrUj65UcdNk0JiwxDHcmGnhQdZot/MS535YHW/ux3 ix2OMu9QvUZMy1PrBQHecaoBqgq83MskIWvfDvOdawIlCyuI8oB4pHAs+S2YAszLN4 T8lfzZqTk5m26kb6ZOL/KXYxczMgD82VSueSOlZQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.162.73.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MzhnN-1gi6J545r7-00vc1u; Sat, 25 May 2019 10:00:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> Content-Language: de-DE X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:IPubcuz65O7mW1LNKZz5WQeyA2DB+AdVCKNBX3seCCk6Vcmj9vc TFEbHaOhExlLZxos29mrHrX3TgdYpJtxN5iglIrGRvwG3b9BpDNS74VP1nOBdiKrlL2OH6Q AoY56f91dAmZRgjpiKXoDeDyk1i1RFZLYtYoBY1u8ISK5C28viOAGH2xueg1lYQACfWuy6K 3hEZExWJqBTeGBjiuMyaw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:VPoYuU9JL9Q=:OzGDFrOBz6EUTPtmK4ybK1 ICdJ2d4Nrat2oqKJYpETqJzPUF1yCxsbg9wfqHP15okWNzkJazLyw8Hm9DgfH4NS9HOc6352Q 85oN+eF/cMLwnMxnZL+3+MJitcuZ64LpsB58Ssx+Qn4w1eNzDNrW8Ovm8dOrXWqi11yb04g6w mBmtzuhocMpLBtUEzDS7Gbs84c6yVXjBbKvQ/o1WVtVuB+Md4Ni2saMQ/vWaDEKgEdwVyJXn6 t/kwyE18Rq3pNI7HzZPRQkGoZ5wXdH/mrbrBeF+Hkgr1Q5ktajmFB4B11t1dK0fnZ/V7Yq3Ek KszUxJV73hfvXsEKstOLXHTtq6C73eHA0ui0ghmEIftGZuVVhvRE4NPWOOSC0tzGKlFmAuTDZ jle/+x3b6JqgRBGgDvfH4+LT4c5a63YSanP8poHUgwd/XK2/jYuzAH3hwml/F8MeWX2WJpGPz Sf8oO0RCmZJ40Xh6C0C+gt0JdMO+GdlWL0piSBniMwLSrflVhmWZt7RbJDC/smdrNyREnASpL Esrvi56l/iEDUNGy3RAUqWDWZFlGtkncT4EufhvDD1++FeDKBJi5bEEHitfcY2+luHW/JQd0v fnkyq57OjukwRNWd7y5d6UE+YqbsMW0LGKdPpMn+uaXERFxqasvptgPf+NI58UlG9iHDKy0/+ Xgcvc0rO4iJOR4bcGw3gZhHygRu3wa5hUgiu7MNoCrFzkflBClaJLKkQGibDagRGfS794brWq gLNt4ibzApCa8Dsl7dGqHneMxkADG9SHOoI5uKYGfoqyF1ySpNE3/x61QvTxAwC5RMawvl2J X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159746 Archived-At: > The minibuffer is where I expect to find useful editor feedback. When= > things happen there I look to see what it is telling me. Sometimes it= > is an error message. Sometimes it is direct dialog interaction such > as for find-file. Sometimes it is simply information such as "Mark > set". But with global-eldoc-mode enabled it is continously posting > distractions in the minibuffer that I must look at, read and > comprehend, and then ignore. This increases the editing workload. > This increases use fatigue. I find error messages like "Beginning of buffer" (and the accompanying beep) and informative messages like "Mark set" much more annoying. What's worse: I see no practical way to turn these off which means that I have to decide whether I want to use the mouse-wheel to scroll an Emacs buffer or to switch off my loudspeakers. And obviously the echo area and the *Messages* buffer get crowded with these completely useless (for me) informations. So while I agree with you that =E2=80=98global-eldoc-mode=E2=80=99 should= never have been enabled by default, I consider it a minor annoyance compared to the ones I described above. At least you've found out how to turn it off. martin