* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
@ 2024-05-31 16:21 Aaron Zeng
2024-06-01 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Zeng @ 2024-05-31 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 71295; +Cc: Aaron Zeng, azeng
1. emacs -Q
2. Evaluate the following in the *scratch* buffer:
(url-retrieve-synchronously "http://google.com:81" nil nil 1)
This does not time out in one second like the TIMEOUT argument
specifies. Instead, in my observations it hangs for at least several
minutes.
This attempt also doesn't work:
3. (with-timeout (1) (url-retrieve-synchronously "http://google.com:81"))
As a consequence of this, Spacemacs's attempted timeout during Emacs
startup can take ages if one of the package archives is temporarily
unreachable, for example due to a network firewall that is enabled at
my site. Spacemacs attempts to timeout after only 5 seconds, but
instead it takes minutes.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-05-31 16:21 bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs Aaron Zeng
@ 2024-06-01 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-04 0:09 ` Aaron Zeng
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-06-01 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Aaron Zeng; +Cc: 71295, azeng, z
> Cc: Aaron Zeng <z@bcc32.com>, azeng@janestreet.com
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 12:21:55 -0400
> From: "Aaron Zeng" <z@bcc32.com>
>
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. Evaluate the following in the *scratch* buffer:
>
> (url-retrieve-synchronously "http://google.com:81" nil nil 1)
>
> This does not time out in one second like the TIMEOUT argument
> specifies. Instead, in my observations it hangs for at least several
> minutes.
>
> This attempt also doesn't work:
>
>
> 3. (with-timeout (1) (url-retrieve-synchronously "http://google.com:81"))
>
> As a consequence of this, Spacemacs's attempted timeout during Emacs
> startup can take ages if one of the package archives is temporarily
> unreachable, for example due to a network firewall that is enabled at
> my site. Spacemacs attempts to timeout after only 5 seconds, but
> instead it takes minutes.
The timeout cannot work when Emacs is stuck in a system call trying to
initiate a network connection. That is blocking, unless you use
url-retrieve asynchronously. The timeout starts working after the
connection is established, so it basically protects against too slow
downloading of data after the initial connection.
I think it's a bug in Spacemacs that it attempts to solve connectivity
problems this way.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-01 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-06-04 0:09 ` Aaron Zeng
2024-06-06 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Zeng @ 2024-06-04 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 71295, azeng
On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, at 15:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> The timeout cannot work when Emacs is stuck in a system call trying to
> initiate a network connection. That is blocking, unless you use
> url-retrieve asynchronously. The timeout starts working after the
> connection is established, so it basically protects against too slow
> downloading of data after the initial connection.
That makes sense, although it's not what I would have guessed from the docstring.
> I think it's a bug in Spacemacs that it attempts to solve connectivity
> problems this way.
What would be a reasonable alternative? This is the same approximate method used by, e.g., request.el. See https://github.com/tkf/emacs-request/blob/01e338c335c07e4407239619e57361944a82cb8a/request.el#L767-L775.
Is the idea just to use url-retrieve directly? I hacked together a quick function that doesn't seem to hang:
(defun url-retrieve-synchronously-but-dont-hang (url &optional silent inhibit-cookies timeout)
(with-timeout (timeout
(error "Timed out retrieving %S after waiting for %s seconds"
url timeout))
(let* (done
(buf
(url-retrieve url
(lambda (&rest _)
(setq done (current-buffer)))
nil silent inhibit-cookies)))
(when buf
(let ((proc (get-buffer-process buf)))
(while (accept-process-output proc))
done)))))
This is probably rather naive of me, but I guess now I'm wondering why url-retrieve-synchronously actually sets url-asynchronous to nil. Is there a good reason not to use :nowait when it is available? It seems like it would be useful to have a wrapper around url-retrieve that just "does what I mean" here.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-04 0:09 ` Aaron Zeng
@ 2024-06-06 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-06 20:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-06-06 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Aaron Zeng; +Cc: 71295, azeng
> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 20:09:03 -0400
> From: "Aaron Zeng" <z@bcc32.com>
> Cc: 71295@debbugs.gnu.org, azeng@janestreet.com
>
> Is the idea just to use url-retrieve directly?
I think so, yes.
> This is probably rather naive of me, but I guess now I'm wondering why url-retrieve-synchronously actually sets url-asynchronous to nil. Is there a good reason not to use :nowait when it is available? It seems like it would be useful to have a wrapper around url-retrieve that just "does what I mean" here.
Maybe. I wonder what others think about this.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-06 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-06-06 20:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-07 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2024-06-06 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, Aaron Zeng; +Cc: 71295, azeng
On 06/06/2024 14:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> This is probably rather naive of me, but I guess now I'm wondering why url-retrieve-synchronously actually sets url-asynchronous to nil. Is there a good reason not to use :nowait when it is available? It seems like it would be useful to have a wrapper around url-retrieve that just "does what I mean" here.
> Maybe. I wonder what others think about this.
It seems like a leaky abstraction (the caller has to be aware that what
happens under the covers is done in several steps, and the timeout only
applies to subsequent ones).
If we could change the implementation to a more intuitive behavior, that
would be a win, I think. Can somebody think of adverse effects?
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-06 20:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2024-06-07 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-06-07 6:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:41:39 +0300
> Cc: 71295@debbugs.gnu.org, azeng@janestreet.com
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>
> On 06/06/2024 14:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> This is probably rather naive of me, but I guess now I'm wondering why url-retrieve-synchronously actually sets url-asynchronous to nil. Is there a good reason not to use :nowait when it is available? It seems like it would be useful to have a wrapper around url-retrieve that just "does what I mean" here.
> > Maybe. I wonder what others think about this.
>
> It seems like a leaky abstraction (the caller has to be aware that what
> happens under the covers is done in several steps, and the timeout only
> applies to subsequent ones).
>
> If we could change the implementation to a more intuitive behavior, that
> would be a win, I think. Can somebody think of adverse effects?
Do you have a patch to consider?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-07 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-06-07 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-08 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2024-06-07 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
On 07/06/2024 09:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:41:39 +0300
>> Cc:71295@debbugs.gnu.org,azeng@janestreet.com
>> From: Dmitry Gutov<dmitry@gutov.dev>
>>
>> On 06/06/2024 14:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>> This is probably rather naive of me, but I guess now I'm wondering why url-retrieve-synchronously actually sets url-asynchronous to nil. Is there a good reason not to use :nowait when it is available? It seems like it would be useful to have a wrapper around url-retrieve that just "does what I mean" here.
>>> Maybe. I wonder what others think about this.
>> It seems like a leaky abstraction (the caller has to be aware that what
>> happens under the covers is done in several steps, and the timeout only
>> applies to subsequent ones).
>>
>> If we could change the implementation to a more intuitive behavior, that
>> would be a win, I think. Can somebody think of adverse effects?
> Do you have a patch to consider?
This seems to work:
diff --git a/lisp/url/url.el b/lisp/url/url.el
index dea251b453b..3b4021ceca8 100644
--- a/lisp/url/url.el
+++ b/lisp/url/url.el
@@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
TIMEOUT is passed, it should be a number that says (in seconds)
how long to wait for a response before giving up."
(url-do-setup)
- (let* (url-asynchronous
+ (let* ((url-asynchronous t)
data-buffer
(callback (lambda (&rest _args)
(setq data-buffer (current-buffer))
At first I was going to suggest the patch which reduces to Aaron's
url-retrieve-synchronously-but-dont-hang implementation, but it misses
the process cleanup stuff.
The above change seems more harmless. In my brief testing anyway.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-07 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2024-06-08 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08 22:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-06-08 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 00:32:44 +0300
> Cc: z@bcc32.com, 71295@debbugs.gnu.org, azeng@janestreet.com
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>
> On 07/06/2024 09:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:41:39 +0300
> >> Cc:71295@debbugs.gnu.org,azeng@janestreet.com
> >> From: Dmitry Gutov<dmitry@gutov.dev>
> >>
> >> It seems like a leaky abstraction (the caller has to be aware that what
> >> happens under the covers is done in several steps, and the timeout only
> >> applies to subsequent ones).
> >>
> >> If we could change the implementation to a more intuitive behavior, that
> >> would be a win, I think. Can somebody think of adverse effects?
> > Do you have a patch to consider?
>
> This seems to work:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/url/url.el b/lisp/url/url.el
> index dea251b453b..3b4021ceca8 100644
> --- a/lisp/url/url.el
> +++ b/lisp/url/url.el
> @@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
> TIMEOUT is passed, it should be a number that says (in seconds)
> how long to wait for a response before giving up."
> (url-do-setup)
> - (let* (url-asynchronous
> + (let* ((url-asynchronous t)
> data-buffer
> (callback (lambda (&rest _args)
> (setq data-buffer (current-buffer))
Fine by me to install this on master, but please add there a comment
explaining why we do that disregarding the "synchronously" part of the
API's name.
Did you consider binding url-asynchronous non-nil only if TIMEOUT is
omitted or nil? That could be even better, since the risk of breaking
something is lower, and OTOH if TIMEOUT is not passed, the original
problem does not exist and waiting "forever" is justified. WDYT?
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-08 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-06-08 22:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-09 4:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2024-06-08 22:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
On 08/06/2024 09:08, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> This seems to work:
>>
>> diff --git a/lisp/url/url.el b/lisp/url/url.el
>> index dea251b453b..3b4021ceca8 100644
>> --- a/lisp/url/url.el
>> +++ b/lisp/url/url.el
>> @@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
>> TIMEOUT is passed, it should be a number that says (in seconds)
>> how long to wait for a response before giving up."
>> (url-do-setup)
>> - (let* (url-asynchronous
>> + (let* ((url-asynchronous t)
>> data-buffer
>> (callback (lambda (&rest _args)
>> (setq data-buffer (current-buffer))
>
> Fine by me to install this on master, but please add there a comment
> explaining why we do that disregarding the "synchronously" part of the
> API's name.
>
> Did you consider binding url-asynchronous non-nil only if TIMEOUT is
> omitted or nil? That could be even better, since the risk of breaking
> something is lower, and OTOH if TIMEOUT is not passed, the original
> problem does not exist and waiting "forever" is justified. WDYT?
That's a good idea. Pushed to master, with this addition and a comment.
Thinking further, though, our ability to do so bring the existence of
this variable into question (we only change it in
url-retrieve-synchronously).
I see it's been added as part of bug#26835 resolution, so maybe we'll
need to re-examine that fix.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-08 22:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2024-06-09 4:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-09 22:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-06-09 4:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 01:34:03 +0300
> Cc: z@bcc32.com, 71295@debbugs.gnu.org, azeng@janestreet.com
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>
> Thinking further, though, our ability to do so bring the existence of
> this variable into question (we only change it in
> url-retrieve-synchronously).
>
> I see it's been added as part of bug#26835 resolution, so maybe we'll
> need to re-examine that fix.
Maybe. Suggestions welcome.
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* bug#71295: 29.3; url-retrieve-synchronously does not timeout if initial connection hangs
2024-06-09 4:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-06-09 22:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2024-06-09 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: z, 71295, azeng
On 09/06/2024 07:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 01:34:03 +0300
>> Cc:z@bcc32.com,71295@debbugs.gnu.org,azeng@janestreet.com
>> From: Dmitry Gutov<dmitry@gutov.dev>
>>
>> Thinking further, though, our ability to do so bring the existence of
>> this variable into question (we only change it in
>> url-retrieve-synchronously).
>>
>> I see it's been added as part of bug#26835 resolution, so maybe we'll
>> need to re-examine that fix.
> Maybe. Suggestions welcome.
This seems to work:
diff --git a/lisp/url/url.el b/lisp/url/url.el
index 0ac2917b213..1972ff254fe 100644
--- a/lisp/url/url.el
+++ b/lisp/url/url.el
@@ -245,7 +245,8 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
data-buffer)))
(start-time (current-time))
(proc-buffer (url-retrieve url callback nil silent
- inhibit-cookies)))
+ inhibit-cookies))
+ failed-message)
(if (not proc-buffer)
(url-debug 'retrieval "Synchronous fetching unnecessary %s" url)
(unwind-protect
@@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
;; Process sentinel vagaries occasionally cause
;; url-retrieve to fail calling callback.
(unless data-buffer
+ (when (memq (process-status proc) '(signal failed))
+ (setq failed-message (process-exit-status proc)))
(url-debug 'retrieval "Dead process %s" url)
(throw 'done 'exception))))
;; Querying over consumer internet in the US takes 100
@@ -285,7 +288,9 @@ url-retrieve-synchronously
(when (and data-buffer
(not (eq data-buffer proc-buffer)))
(let (kill-buffer-query-functions)
- (kill-buffer proc-buffer)))))
+ (kill-buffer proc-buffer))))
+ (when failed-message
+ (error "Retrieval failed: `%s'" failed-message)))
data-buffer))
;; url-mm-callback called from url-mm, which requires mm-decode.
It's doesn't show the same kind of error like the nowait version:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "The x509 certificate does not
match \"wrong.host.badssl.com\"")
gnutls-boot(#<process wrong.host.badssl.com<35>> gnutls-x509pki
(:complete-negotiation t :priority "NORMAL:%DUMBFW" :hostname
"wrong.host.badssl.com" :loglevel 0 :min-prime-bits nil :trustfiles
("/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt") :crlfiles nil :keylist nil
:verify-flags nil :verify-error t :pass nil :flags nil :callbacks nil))
gnutls-negotiate(:process #<process wrong.host.badssl.com<35>> :type
gnutls-x509pki :keylist nil :hostname "wrong.host.badssl.com")
But the error is still meaningful:
(error "Retrieval failed: ‘The Network Security Manager stopped the
connections’")
Unfortunately, the error is sometimes not triggered (the process object
not created maybe?) - so some more investigation is needed.
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