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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t186-20020a632dc3000000b0051fa7704c1asm1531696pgt.47.2023.04.19.11.22.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Apr 2023 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83a5z482e3.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::432; envelope-from=jporterbugs@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x432.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305452 Archived-At: On 4/19/2023 5:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Also, does package.el support "downgrading" to the bundled version? > Did anyone actually try that? In particular, what happens with the > dependencies the user upgraded together with the package being > "uninstalled", due to the minimum requirements of that package? I've done this in the past and everything works pretty much as expected from my recollection: you can uninstall a package that you got from ELPA, so afterwards, you'd just get the bundled version (you might need to restart; I always do). In addition, any automatically-installed dependent packages are marked with the status "dependency". You can remove no-longer-needed deps via 'package-autoremove'. When uninstalling a package interactively in the *Packages* buffer, it will even suggest that you remove unneeded deps when appropriate (see 'package-menu-execute').