From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:59:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <3cec217d-8adb-4e6c-b239-eff0c8b520c9@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390014015 27602 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 03:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:00:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 04:00:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4M8z-00055l-Go for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 04:00:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40992 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4M8z-0001mU-7W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:00:21 -0500 X-Received: by 10.66.144.228 with SMTP id sp4mr2064031pab.5.1390013986132; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.234.163 with SMTP id uf3mr36204igc.4.1390013986056; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:59:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!kk17no11078621pbb.0!news-out.google.com!gg4ni7357qab.0!nntp.google.com!p15no20256027qaj.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.24.139; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.24.139 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 02:59:46 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:203202 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95471 Archived-At: On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:07:34 PM UTC+5:30, Drew Adams wrote: > Emacs does not by default store your bookmarks, or your elpa info, > or your thumbnail files, or your eshell info, or or any other > generated Lisp code in your init file. Why does it still store > Customize-generated code in your init file by default? Ask Emacs Dev. > To me, this is unwise design. > But it is certainly not Customize's fault. If Emacs Dev decided to > store your bookmarks in your init file, you would get the same kind > of mess that you can get from Emacs mixing Customize code in with > your hand-coded init-file stuff. It should be a no-brainer to > separate generated or automatically maintained code from user, > hand-written code. (But whaddo I know?) I did not know what to make of the above -- so did not comment However my recent struggles to just set a variable in emacs (nothing to do directly with customize) suggests that some basic emacs infrastructure is really clunky See the thread Impossible to set org mode variable In summary: There is a variable v which shows value x as defined in file f Look in the file f and it has value y [Of course I am the first to admit that arcana about loaddefs, lexical vs dynamic and what not are above my head]