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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 32902@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32902: Add support for (TIMESTAMP . RESOLUTION) Lisp timestamps
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:18:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cb076958-3b90-7e4c-89f6-60fee2999f4b@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83va6dyx69.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> That's only a very partial fix, unfortunately. I looked into the matter briefly,
>> and was dismayed by how much work would be needed for a real fix, even if I
>> fixed only timefns.c.
> 
> Can you point out a couple of such places?

Well, for starters there are multiple instances of "time_t s = t.tv_sec;" where 
T is of time struct timespec, and evidently this assigns a 64-bit quantity to a 
32-bit value on the platform in question. There's lots more code like that.

> The data width difference notwithstanding,
> the values should all fit in 32-bit time_t.

Ah, I didn't know that. In that case, the changes I was thinking of might not be 
needed for timestamps before 2038. (I write "might" because I would rather not 
spend my limited time to think this through.)
> Microsoft made an incompatible change in its runtime libraries
> around Windows Vista, and switched to 64-bit time_t even on 32-bit
> systems.  Since we still try to support older Windows versions, we
> must use that kludge, and we must limit ourselves to 32-bit time_t in
> 32-bit builds.

Here are some possible suggestions:

1. Redefine 'struct timespec' and 'clock_gettime' on 32-bit MinGW so that they 
use 32-bit time_t only. The redefinitions would be visible only within Emacs; 
you wouldn't actually change MinGW.

2. Have Emacs w32*.c detect the width of the MS-Windows API's time_t at runtime, 
and if necessary convert between any 32-bit time_t on the MS-Windows side and 
the 64-bit time_t visible to the rest of the Emacs C code.

3. Build one Emacs executable for 32-bit MS-Windows Vista and later (with 64-bit 
time_t), and another one for 32-bit MS-Windows XP and older (with 32-bit time_t).

Any of these would insulate the rest of Emacs from this glitch. You mentioned a 
fourth possibility that would also serve:

> drop support for older Windows systems.

Microsoft itself has dropped support for the older MS-Windows systems in 
question, and it would be fine if Emacs dropped support too. We routinely drop 
support for obsolete and no-longer-maintained operating system versions like 
RHEL 5 and Irix 6.5.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-08  5:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-02  1:00 bug#32902: Add support for (TIMESTAMP . RESOLUTION) Lisp timestamps Paul Eggert
2018-10-02  3:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-03 18:45   ` Paul Eggert
2018-10-04 16:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-07  6:32       ` Paul Eggert
2018-10-07 17:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-07 20:05           ` Paul Eggert
2018-10-08  2:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-08  5:18               ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-10-09 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <3f0bcf06-83f2-a0e9-c9ab-b06d65417afe@cs.ucla.edu>
2018-10-10  3:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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