From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Highway Musophobia Revisited [was: Speeding up Emacs load time] Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87r4ezdiiy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ez92ry.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87txjv7gen.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ey3jjd.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87k3kqnup9.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87li56mbet.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871u6ym7xi.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374018548 9949 80.91.229.3 (16 Jul 2013 23:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:49:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 17 01:49:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEzO-00025c-EJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:49:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57160 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEzN-0001T8-Nz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39026) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEzC-0001T3-Vz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEzC-0007Vy-0s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:25299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEzB-0007Va-Qd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r6GNmive001053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:48:46 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6GNmgr0026898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:48:44 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6GNmg6C026895; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:48:42 GMT In-Reply-To: <871u6ym7xi.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92176 Archived-At: > I think the mouse is a killer. It is not productive, it is not > ergonomic. Any pointer device, and a mouse is one (among other things it can be), has this feature: you look at something, anywhere, you point to it to do something with it or to it. End of story. Nothing beats that eye-hand direct-manipulation thing for what it offers. Neither text completion/search nor a command/key to go directly to the thing by name, number, description, whatever. Nada. When you want to do something interactively with or to a particular pixel you see somewhere, you typically do not want to refer to it by name or number. You want to point to it directly. QED. CQFD. This should have been clear to everyone since their first experience with a pointer device, typically their index finger. But some will never get it, it seems. Never. "Gimme that. That over there. Two feet from the door, on the right, four feet up, against the wall. No, just to the left of that thing ... three objects over. No, the blue one. That's it. Thanks." Of course, if all you know is a hammer (or a mouse, for that matter) then everything looks like a nail. Keyboard keys are great for what they offer. A pointer device is better for, uh, ... pointing. That's all. Next time, try picking your nose using a keyboard. (Might make an interesting GSOC project...)