From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435851209 29329 80.91.229.3 (2 Jul 2015 15:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics , "N. 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Resizing things on > > screen by dragging a handle provided when placing the mouse cursor > > over their boundary is a very commonplace, almost universal idiom; > > it would be nice if Emacs could do this by default. >=20 > I'm afraid that some users would deeply deplore the loss of sacred > screen estate then. They can always customize Emacs, to get back those pixels. The problem of not being aware of such possibilities is a bigger problem, IMHO. And I agree with N. Jackson that this particular affordance is something that is quite common and thus often expected. [FWIW, I've long been in favor of giving :help-echo or other pop-up help for UI elements a menu item that takes users to either the doc about customizing that element or directly to an appropriate Customize buffer. In this case, it would mean (a) we show the handle by default and (b) we provide mouseover help with a link that gives you access to the doc you added about this - doc that describes the UI element and tells you how to customize it.]