From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why is booleanp defined this way?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:00:34 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c9840490-5e48-4a6e-83d9-98a758f391cb@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877ftam61r.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com>
On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 9:47:41 AM UTC+5:30, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> Rusi writes:
>
> >> I never used `booleanp' and I never experienced that
> >> the boolean built-in type was missing from my
> >> "ontology".
> >
> > If you how to write (and grok) an 'if' you have boolean in your
> > ontology.
>
> Not exactly. There's something magical occuring in if.
>
> if takes an expression that is _used_ _as_ a condition.
>
> Often, that expression is a boolean, but that depends on the
> language. For example, in C, the expression is any expression, and it is
> tested against 0 to define the (negation of the) condition.
>
> You could define a language without ANY predefined types, and then you
> would have to declare the mapping between the values of some
> user-defined type and the condition used by any "conditional"
> instruction or operator.
>
> (deftype booleen () `(member vrai faux))
>
> (declare-if-conditions :then (eql vrai)
> :else (eql faux))
>
> (if t 'yes 'no) --> #<error t is not a valid condition value>
> (if 'vrai 'yes 'no) --> yes
>
>
> (declare-if-conditions :else (function zerop))
>
> (if 'vrai 'yes 'no) --> #<error vrai is not a valid condition value>
> (let ((a 2)) (if (- a 2) 'yes 'no)) --> yes
>
> (Of course, it is not too useful to have such things in lisp, we're
> happy with generalized booleans, but once upon a time, I fancied a
> language with no predefined types, as a way to achieve better
> portability. Like C is "good" for I/O by reason of having no I/O
> operator (compared to eg. Pascal), a typeless static language would be
> good for portability, because it would have no implicit dependence on
> the processor data types such as int32 or int64; you'd declare your own
> integer ranges and the compilers would ensure it works everywhere.
>
> (deftype my-int () `(integer -20 1000000))
> (let ((a 0))
> (declare (type (my-int a)))
> (incf a))
>
> But again, for lisp or any other non-statically typed programming
> language, this is mute.
<irony>
I know very little CL so dont really get what you are saying.
Can you say it in scheme?
(ironical on this thread!)
</irony>
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2015-04-17 20:55 ` Why is booleanp defined this way? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-17 23:20 ` Barry Margolin
2015-04-17 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 0:43 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-18 3:13 ` Barry Margolin
2015-04-18 3:12 ` Barry Margolin
2015-04-18 2:01 ` Rusi
2015-04-18 2:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 2:33 ` Rusi
2015-04-18 2:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 3:11 ` Barry Margolin
2015-04-18 3:35 ` Rusi
2015-04-18 4:56 ` Barry Margolin
2015-04-19 23:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-19 23:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 21:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 7:52 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2015-04-18 12:43 ` Rusi
2015-04-18 4:09 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-18 5:00 ` Rusi [this message]
2015-04-18 3:50 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-18 5:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-17 20:34 Marcin Borkowski
2015-04-17 20:49 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
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2015-04-17 23:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 0:41 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-18 1:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 1:23 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-18 7:44 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-04-18 8:37 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-04-19 23:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-18 2:37 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-18 6:13 ` Tassilo Horn
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