Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[David Combs]

A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
not sure just how to do it.

(I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want
to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have
already got.)

Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page:


-------------- this page is at:  http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/


 ntemacs
Emacs CVS for W32
(A SourceForge Project)


Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7

CAUTION: Unofficial builds
Downloads  - [7z SFX]

    * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-bin-20090923.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15]
    * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-src-20090923.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b]

Steel Bank Common Lisp

    * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-x86-windows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b]
    * SBCL release source [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-source.tar.bz2         [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd1456]


Last updated: Oct 27, 2009




Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in
/downloads ok.  But there are no instructions of what to do from
then on.

(I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.)


I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand
these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around
what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that
I'd explode into a whole tree of files.

But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because
doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23).

(How did I install it?  I didn't -- knowing nothing about
windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone
did it for me.

 AND, the version I got installed was a few months
 BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs,
 and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions,
 and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit
 more straightforward to do.)


So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him
would be a real help.


THANKS!

David


PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first
do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements,
idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there,
I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away
with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well,
he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode,
fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired,
doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read,
rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs,
C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines,
tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros, 
how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and
*shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just
keep it up for days and days,

PLUS

any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute
and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who
sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save
him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say).

Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs,
to demonstrate how much time

... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more
of it, eg via *info*.


That's the idea, anyway.


PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can
both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"),
so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then
try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key,
let me show you"?


Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs
on his xp machine.

(Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs.  Because ntemacs
works so much better screen-display-wise, that you
can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc),
that's why.)


Thanks again.

David

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Xah Lee]

not sure you specifically want NTEmacs or if other emacs distro on
Windows is fine.

if you don't particularly care about a specific distro, here's few i
know that works well for me:

• official GNU Emacs build for Windows.
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/
just download, unzip, and use right there.
No installation step needed.

• EmacsW32+Eamcs
http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html
download the patched version.
Then, run the installer.

• ErgoEmacs
http://ergoemacs.org/
download and run the installer.
(disclaimer: me and David Capello made this one)

you shouldn't worry about downloading multiple version of emacs that
might interfere with each other. I have all the above three installed.

as to what tricks might impress a new emacs user, maybe these pages
are good ideas for you to pick from:

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/
http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_fun.html

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

--------------------------


On May 5, 10:18 pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote:
> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
> not sure just how to do it.
>
> (I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want
> to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have
> already got.)
>
> Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page:
>
> -------------- this page is at:  http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/
>
>  ntemacs
> Emacs CVS for W32
> (A SourceForge Project)
>
> Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7
>
> CAUTION: Unofficial builds
> Downloads  - [7z SFX]
>
>     * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-bin-20090923.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15]
>     * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-src-20090923.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b]
>
> Steel Bank Common Lisp
>
>     * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-x86-windows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b]
>     * SBCL release source [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-source.tar.bz2         [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd1456]
>
> Last updated: Oct 27, 2009
>
> Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in
> /downloads ok.  But there are no instructions of what to do from
> then on.
>
> (I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.)
>
> I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand
> these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around
> what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that
> I'd explode into a whole tree of files.
>
> But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because
> doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23).
>
> (How did I install it?  I didn't -- knowing nothing about
> windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone
> did it for me.
>
>  AND, the version I got installed was a few months
>  BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs,
>  and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions,
>  and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit
>  more straightforward to do.)
>
> So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him
> would be a real help.
>
> THANKS!
>
> David
>
> PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first
> do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements,
> idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there,
> I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away
> with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well,
> he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode,
> fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired,
> doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read,
> rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs,
> C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines,
> tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros,
> how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and
> *shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just
> keep it up for days and days,
>
> PLUS
>
> any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute
> and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who
> sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save
> him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say).
>
> Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs,
> to demonstrate how much time
>
> ... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more
> of it, eg via *info*.
>
> That's the idea, anyway.
>
> PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can
> both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"),
> so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then
> try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key,
> let me show you"?
>
> Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs
> on his xp machine.
>
> (Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs.  Because ntemacs
> works so much better screen-display-wise, that you
> can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc),
> that's why.)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> David

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Lennart Borgman]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:18 AM, David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
> not sure just how to do it.


I know nothing about the installer used by ntemacs, but you could try
emacsw32. The patched version probably does everything you want. It is
a normal installer so you can uninstall it as you do with other
programs:

  http://ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl

PS: I am going to update the patched version rather soon, but don't
hold your breath.

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[David Combs]

In article <mailman.3.1273159143.5381.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Lennart Borgman  <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:18 AM, David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
>> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
>> not sure just how to do it.
>
>
>I know nothing about the installer used by ntemacs, but you could try
>emacsw32. The patched version probably does everything you want. It is
>a normal installer so you can uninstall it as you do with other
>programs:
>
>  http://ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl
>
>PS: I am going to update the patched version rather soon, but don't
>hold your breath.
>
>

Confused as just what to download.  What I got is this huge
"installer"(?):

  c:/Downloads:
  total used in directory 6837130 available 187438764
  -rwxrwxrwx   1 David    root      31609612 05-06 19:29 Emacs-23-BzrU100220-EmacsW32-1.58.exe
  drwxrwxrwx   1 David    root             0 05-06 19:29 .


Pretty big installer.  

Is this the file you (Lennart) wanted me to get?

What to do, START then RUN and give it /downloads/Emacs-23...?


----- Here's the page containing the various choices:


Download Latest
EmacsW32+Emacs binaries
and nXhtml

The binaries for Emacs and other programs here are for MS Windows. The elisp libraries can be used on any platform where Emacs runs.

Please try to use the unpatched version of Emacs for bug reports about Emacs itself!

There will be no unpatched binaries for released versions of Emacs here. Please go to Emacs home page to get unpatched binaries for MS Windows.

Download latest EmacsW32+Emacs patched Emacs patched icon
    This will download an installer for EmacsW32 + Emacs. Emacs is the CVS Emacs 23.2 version (not yet released!), checked out 20091103, and is slightly patched. EmacsW32 is version 1.58 and includes nXhtml. Approx 29 MB.
Download latest EmacsW32+Emacs unpatched Emacs patched icon
    This will download an installer for EmacsW32 + Emacs. Emacs is the development Emacs 23.2 version (not yet released!), checked out 2010-02-20, and is NOT patched. EmacsW32 is version 1.58. Approx 30 MB.

    Please notice that you can not start Emacs in the last step after installation (Finish) because this assumes that emacsclient starts Emacs automatically and this only works in the patched version!

    Please notice also that I often do not check that the unpatched version works ok. I upload it mostly for those who wants to test.

    Note: Emacs 23.1 was released 2009-07-30, binaries are available at http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
Download only latest Emacs unpatched as a zip file
    This will download a zip file with nothing but Emacs. Emacs is the CVS Emacs 23.2 version (not yet released!), checked out 20010-02-20, and is NOT patched. Approx 47 MB.
Download latest nXhtml (zip file) nXhtml: editing web files
    This will download a zip file with the latest nXhtml. This is the same nXhtml that is included in EmacsW32+Emacs - but the version here may be newer. nXhtml is version 2.08, zipping date is 200100425. Approx 2373 kB. Release notes.

    Notice that you can also update (and download) nXhtml directly from the devel sources. This is in the menus from version 2.04 of nXhtml. (If you have an older version then you can go to nXhtml on EmacsWiki and grab the file web-vcs.el there through the link to it in the repository.)

If you want to get the sources, please see information about sources. You can also use the directory listing for downloading.

For more information about EmacsW32 please go to EmacsW32 home page.




If what I downloaded was the wrong thing, please edit in a "THIS ONE HERE ===>>  "
in the above version of your page.


THANKS!

David

PS: Do I get a chance to tell it where to put the exe and dll? and
directories (lisp, etc, ...), so I don't have two .el-files conflicting.


Thanks again.

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[David Combs]

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In article <7edd3618-2f6f-4b64-afe2-b2e162eeb7ea@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Xah Lee  <xahlee@gmail.com> wrote:
>not sure you specifically want NTEmacs or if other emacs distro on
>Windows is fine.
>
>if you don't particularly care about a specific distro, here's few i
>know that works well for me:
>
>• official GNU Emacs build for Windows.
>http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/
>just download, unzip, and use right there.
>No installation step needed.
>
>• EmacsW32+Eamcs
>http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html
>download the patched version.
>Then, run the installer.
>
>• ErgoEmacs
>http://ergoemacs.org/
>download and run the installer.
>(disclaimer: me and David Capello made this one)
>
>you shouldn't worry about downloading multiple version of emacs that
>might interfere with each other. I have all the above three installed.

How did you do this so that the eg lisp directories all mash
into one?

Does you scheme ask for a place to place all the data files, etc?

And where does the exe file end up living?

Please say a bit more about how you keep things separated.

Thanks!


>
>as to what tricks might impress a new emacs user, maybe these pages
>are good ideas for you to pick from:
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/
>http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_fun.html
>
>  Xah
>∑ http://xahlee.org/
>
>☄
>

And please someone look at this "NTemacs" -- how does it differ
from this emacs<32> versions you two are talking about?  Could they
perhaps be one and the same?

I recall from last summer downloading cygwin, and checking "emacs" as
one of the programs to include along with it.  When I ran it,
it was emacs all right, but it came up in only that small black
and white "dos window", miserable.  Whereas this NTemacs would expand
to the entire screen, full colors, seemingly identical to what
I had on my Sunblade-100.

I'm sort of surprised that no one seems to have heard of this thing,
ntemacs.  Someone, please, have a look at it, tell us all what
you think.  It is version 23.0.0.1, nice and new.

Thanks!

David


>--------------------------
>
>
>On May 5, 10:18 pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote:
>> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
>> not sure just how to do it.
>>
>> (I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want
>> to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have
>> already got.)
>>
>> Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page:
>>
>> -------------- this page is at:  http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>  ntemacs
>> Emacs CVS for W32
>> (A SourceForge Project)
>>
>> Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7
>>
>> CAUTION: Unofficial builds
>> Downloads  - [7z SFX]
>>
>>     * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-bin-20090923.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15]
>>     * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-src-20090923.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b]
>>
>> Steel Bank Common Lisp
>>
>>     * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-x86-windows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b]
>>     * SBCL release source [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-source.tar.bz2         [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd1456]
>>
>> Last updated: Oct 27, 2009
>>
>> Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in
>> /downloads ok.  But there are no instructions of what to do from
>> then on.
>>
>> (I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.)
>>
>> I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand
>> these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around
>> what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that
>> I'd explode into a whole tree of files.
>>
>> But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because
>> doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23).
>>
>> (How did I install it?  I didn't -- knowing nothing about
>> windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone
>> did it for me.
>>
>>  AND, the version I got installed was a few months
>>  BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs,
>>  and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions,
>>  and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit
>>  more straightforward to do.)
>>
>> So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him
>> would be a real help.
>>
>> THANKS!
>>
>> David
>>
>> PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first
>> do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements,
>> idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there,
>> I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away
>> with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well,
>> he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode,
>> fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired,
>> doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read,
>> rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs,
>> C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines,
>> tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros,
>> how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and
>> *shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just
>> keep it up for days and days,
>>
>> PLUS
>>
>> any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute
>> and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who
>> sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save
>> him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say).
>>
>> Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs,
>> to demonstrate how much time
>>
>> ... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more
>> of it, eg via *info*.
>>
>> That's the idea, anyway.
>>
>> PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can
>> both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"),
>> so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then
>> try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key,
>> let me show you"?
>>
>> Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs
>> on his xp machine.
>>
>> (Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs.  Because ntemacs
>> works so much better screen-display-wise, that you
>> can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc),
>> that's why.)
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> David

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:41 AM, David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <mailman.3.1273159143.5381.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
> Lennart Borgman  <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:18 AM, David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
>>> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
>>> not sure just how to do it.
>>
>>
>>I know nothing about the installer used by ntemacs, but you could try
>>emacsw32. The patched version probably does everything you want. It is
>>a normal installer so you can uninstall it as you do with other
>>programs:
>>
>>  http://ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl
>>
>>PS: I am going to update the patched version rather soon, but don't
>>hold your breath.
>>
>>
>
> Confused as just what to download.  What I got is this huge
> "installer"(?):
>
>  c:/Downloads:
>  total used in directory 6837130 available 187438764
>  -rwxrwxrwx   1 David    root      31609612 05-06 19:29 Emacs-23-BzrU100220-EmacsW32-1.58.exe
>  drwxrwxrwx   1 David    root             0 05-06 19:29 .
>
>
> Pretty big installer.
>
> Is this the file you (Lennart) wanted me to get?


No, you probably want the patched version instead. (It is quite easy
to update it when I have uploaded a new version. Just download and run
the installer again.)

The file with the patched version is
Emacs-23-CvsP091103-EmacsW32-1.58.exe. Just download this and run it.
This file contains Emacs (slightly patched) and some GNU utilities you
might want (grep etc). It should work OTB.

The normal way to start the patched version is to call emacsclient
some way. Unlike the unpatched version this will start Emacs if it is
not already running.

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 02:59, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unlike the unpatched version this will start Emacs if it is
> not already running.

That could be fixed if you someday decided to send patches to add the
functionality to standard Emacs...

    Juanma

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 02:59, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unlike the unpatched version this will start Emacs if it is
>> not already running.
>
> That could be fixed if you someday decided to send patches to add the
> functionality to standard Emacs...

Yes, maybe it is time to try again soon now... ;-)

I can't do it right now but I will come back to you.

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Xah Lee]

On May 6, 4:51 pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote:
> And please someone look at this "NTemacs" -- how does it differ
> from this emacs<32> versions you two are talking about?  Could they
> perhaps be one and the same?

Gah, you sound like a Dinosaur David. :)

inspired by your post, i wrote a more general tutorial on this:

• Which Emacs to Download for Windows and Mac?
  http://xahlee.org/emacs/which_emacs.html


NTEmacs is pretty much like GNU Emacs. That is, plain emacs.

In fact, they are just compiled on different PCs, that's all.

> I recall from last summer downloading cygwin, and checking "emacs" as
> one of the programs to include along with it.  When I ran it,
> it was emacs all right, but it came up in only that small black
> and white "dos window", miserable.  Whereas this NTemacs would expand
> to the entire screen, full colors, seemingly identical to what
> I had on my Sunblade-100.

gah... of course. The emacs in cygwin runs in Windows Console. You
could also have emacs in cygwin that runs on X11. But that means you
must have used cygwin to install X11 first, and the emacs version in
cygwin you installed must be compiled with X11 support.

> I'm sort of surprised that no one seems to have heard of this thing,
> ntemacs.  Someone, please, have a look at it, tell us all what
> you think.  It is version 23.0.0.1, nice and new.

if all you want is to run emacs in Windows with reasonable gui
support, all the ones i mentioned all works well as i described and
easy to install. It's not like in the 1990s or early 2000s where in
order to run emacs on Windows you have to compile your own, by first
spending weeks, months, getting all the right working ports gcc and
tools for Windows...

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Jason Rumney]

On May 7, 7:51 am, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote:

> I'm sort of surprised that no one seems to have heard of this thing,
> ntemacs.  Someone, please, have a look at it, tell us all what
> you think.  It is version 23.0.0.1, nice and new.

The current released version of Emacs is 23.1.  23.2 is currently in
pretest as 23.1.97, and the current development version is 24.0.50.
So no, 23.0.0.1 is not nice and new (in fact it predates the unicode
merge, where it was decided that the CVS trunk should be x.x.50, not
x.x.0).

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Jason Rumney]

On May 8, 8:56 am, Jason Rumney <jasonrum...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The current released version of Emacs is 23.1.  23.2 is currently in
> pretest as 23.1.97

In fact, 23.2 was just released.

Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[Gary]

David Combs writes:
> I recall from last summer downloading cygwin, and checking "emacs" as
> one of the programs to include along with it.  When I ran it,
> it was emacs all right, but it came up in only that small black
> and white "dos window", miserable.

That hasn't been true for some years. At least not necessarily so. Just
select one or more extra terminal packages (mintty is
good.. no.. excellent) and you can have colour and the like. Add the X
packages and you can have mouse usage and so on as well (AFAIK - I don't
use that myself). And all with the benefit of *n*x-alike tools to
support it.

-- 
Gary