From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
34939@debbugs.gnu.org,
pinkanon pinkanon <pinkanon.pinkanon@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#34939: Some minibuffer behaviour is annoying
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 14:00:27 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c836f2cf-c57e-4d22-8744-c6443d756eb3@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ef4foh6v.fsf@mail.linkov.net>
> > I haven't been following this thread. But it looks
> > like this will use `minibuffer-message' for errors
> > raised during minibuffer input, and block `message',
> > except for logging. Is that right?
>
> No, it won't block messages.
It will block `message', not messages. It will hijack
`message' to effect instead `minibuffer-message'.
That's not right or fair. Code that calls `message'
should get `message' behavior.
> It will display messages together with the minibuffer contents
> instead of replacing it.
Which means that code that _intends_ `message'
behavior, which does (temporarily) replace your
input in the minibuffer, no longer does that.
No way around it - `message' just gets hijacked.
It is so _easy_ for any code to explicitly call
`minibuffer-message' when it wants that effect.
But now you want to make it impossible for code
that calls `message' to get `message' behavior.
Not needed and not the right thing. You're
impoverishing Emacs behavior by replacing two
possible behaviors with one.
> Currently it requires the user to wait 2 seconds
> before the user can see the minibuffer contents again.
No, it does not. User input cancels the `message'
text. And this is during an overall input reading,
remember? And code that calls `message' can invoke
`(message nil)' to also cancel the `message' text
at _any_ time it deems appropriate. There is no
mandatory 2-sec wait, such as you suggest.
> Most often, this happens after typing M-n to see if any default values
> are available, and it replaces the minibuffer contents with the message
> “End of history; no default available”.
If you think there is a _particular_ context or
use of `message' that is problematic then fix that.
What you're proposing/doing instead is smashing
with a sledgehammer.
> I have to wait several times
> per day for this message to go away. Totally it takes ~1 minute per day,
> ~300 minutes (5 hours) per year, and ~50 hours per decade - this is
> a whole workweek of just looking at the message and waiting for Godot.
Ridiculous exaggeration. I use `M-n' all the time
and have never had to wait like that.
This is a bad idea. If you want to let users opt
in to such a reduction in behaviors then fine, please
do create a user option that lets them opt in for that.
No one will have a problem with that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-30 21:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-21 19:13 bug#34939: Some minibuffer behaviour is annoying pinkanon pinkanon
2019-03-22 16:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-23 2:32 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23 9:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-23 9:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 11:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-23 12:18 ` pinkanon pinkanon
[not found] ` <<83o961q5rr.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-03-23 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2019-03-31 19:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-31 19:49 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-31 20:29 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-01 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-01 20:31 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-01 21:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-03 20:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:16 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-01 10:10 ` pinkanon pinkanon
2019-04-01 20:25 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-02 18:25 ` pinkanon pinkanon
2019-04-01 13:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-01 20:29 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-07 20:43 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-07 23:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-08 19:47 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-08 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-08 23:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-08 23:32 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-08 23:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-08 23:59 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-09 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-09 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-24 22:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-27 20:15 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27 20:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-29 21:53 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-29 22:26 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-30 19:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-30 21:00 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-05-30 21:35 ` Juri Linkov
2019-06-03 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2019-06-04 15:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
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