From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442159183 22052 80.91.229.3 (13 Sep 2015 15:46:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:46:23 +0000 (UTC) To: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 17:46:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Tl-0000dg-1d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:46:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36252 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Tk-0003pj-K8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Th-0003oi-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Te-0007lI-Ju for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Te-0007lD-Fj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Te-0006p0-3k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:46:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144215911326167 (code B ref -1); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2015 15:45:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Sr-0006nz-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41605) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Sp-0006nr-6i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9So-0007KY-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9So-0007KU-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51605) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Sm-0003j0-KV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Sj-0007CC-ES for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb9Sj-00079W-8Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:45:05 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8DFj36j017217 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:45:04 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8DFj22e002608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:45:03 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8DFj2qU021584 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:45:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106477 Archived-At: Emacs Info manuals have long used double-quotes for two things: * Setting off terms that are defined (e.g., glossary terms). (This is presumably the case for the occurrence of "codepages" in this same node.) * Programming strings - e.g. Lisp strings (including file-name strings). In (emacs) `Coding Sytems', at least, it seems that Curly-Quote Mania has struck another nasty blow: In addition to converting various representations of non-ASCII characters, a coding system can perform end-of-line conversion. Emacs handles three different conventions for how to separate lines in a file: newline ("unix"), carriage-return linefeed ("dos"), and just carriage-return ("mac"). Why curly double-quotes here? Either those quoted names are supposed to be Lisp strings or they are proper names. In the latter case they should not be quoted at all, and they should be properly capitalized. In the former case (which is what I'm guessing is meant), plain ASCII double-quote chars should be used. Please don't confuse users this way, and make them guess what is meant. Get it straight, please. Plain ASCII double-quote chars should always be used for strings. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-08-16 on LEG570 Bzr revision: f7ee23e587b01f179284b5554c67d579a2def676 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3D3Di686-pc-mingw32 --enable-checking=3D3Dyes,glyphs'