From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:55:17 +0300 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> <0d678371-2df7-519e-5ec0-7e26bfa6ea34@gmail.com> <11dff979-002e-e03e-2e3e-cdb09fcc409e@yandex.ru> <8017be3d-a4ed-61eb-9bdb-9a95c77a0698@gmail.com> <3adf65ae-fd0d-4fee-adfd-e11d39a148fc@yandex.ru> <01e211df-acfb-fb8a-eedc-7cb439b64cd8@yandex.ru> <57491476-b7d1-ed1e-9eaf-bc45db607ae8@yandex.ru> <835zd2bf2h.fsf@gnu.org> <1c43f78b-2bc5-8c81-4a57-ba63bb721c85@yandex.ru> <83wo5i9z21.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftc69ute.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72e9t6f.fsf@gnu.org> <833685anvq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="97008"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 Cc: ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cpitclaudel@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 15:56:16 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYVOI-000OxJ-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:56:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYVOH-0001y5-Sk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYVNW-00017q-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:55:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::333]:36017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYVNV-00061h-9D; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:55:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id w19so8660412wmc.1; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KvISO38usiczcXV8tM9QWu4MODQfRJVwdKS9z2JIzbo=; b=ELT71h8blR/6g6hdOi9DtZzFu49LKHVdMik6JlJ9Dw0FtKfZ4abgnInPr3+XDoeisc 1WKuq22Is3cDyu8GYbcfm5yo5whw76euUBlGDpUwmuGMverz1ZyJAfPvh41z/WhTh9Dh +4WdnzNW3QXDvwRfpN4Y+4JJJqrchRJcoFMMT0xjOYKKJuGdely+95cB13bLfFx87W8C XSk9Rq5AkQPhTmuKwI/cxrYtHPbxydMJLbfCFwPx61D9hPWTP6myk1pmDi292i14sT/Q vLlB+nV60v7FDLhpsaHK/A4uakMkjGxeRFpQ4wbfXafIXZmHK4Bdww5Sm7IPLlfVZ+6U PUNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KvISO38usiczcXV8tM9QWu4MODQfRJVwdKS9z2JIzbo=; b=qWZwFsxmxwWhS5Mhopm0N7c6r73DBzs4AVYdIcbVupeaurfZvtoYoyNhUU73xaBWpC +iyU4DVJ40ELfpI6Q1PYiISTR5+KoGNFJ1pkVsjeHRov8KF8JeusWFfqaKXeGyd4AR5E xKFg1zkKhnSivZBk+z7MgJBNuf5l9cVF1f3TYz7dK6W0hmwbsdhbYGe+AMKO5J+2u9Hk 3qGP1GNE4PQtoaXmSzhpmTCe/mAFa5caaf1ZswTcS/tPLoP3584v6SCVrFk2n0psszMu vq62GU75omtTcthvXuG11WMgwA1I6h4FvEwDH2HoNoEE5A09c3ZX3ZJMe3wsr/A67pBT Qr9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYhyFT0o55M+pX+svppn8svwwvI0zTYLG52jVtTyd4Dihl5FVyW YsePT/sV5TUsT5we5nxBpAy219Kg X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKD6l+shYGeqBAyDVKu9VIx2UwL3rPtFbGgRgDwLdJKVieBPrUEed0EBWlygqdozmPTR68mUQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:acc8:: with SMTP id v191mr32056967wme.128.1589291719534; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([66.205.73.129]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o2sm24320092wmc.21.2020.05.12.06.55.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 May 2020 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <833685anvq.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::333; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x333.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249965 Archived-At: On 12.05.2020 05:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc:rms@gnu.org,cpitclaudel@gmail.com,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:02:33 +0300 >> >>> It's a GNU project. >>> >>> Specifically, it is part of the GNU Emacs. >> So what does the lead maintainer being strapped for time have to do with >> it? Other people routinely work on GNU Emacs and various related projects. > They do, and everyone's contributions are greatly appreciated. But > our standards and conventions, and our procedures are common and > should be agreed upon, regardless of who personally does what. > Otherwise we will cease to be a coherent project with common goals and > practices. Sorry, I'm not sure what this is going to mean in practice. And you going to dismiss an existing sub-project of Emacs (GNU ELPA) because you don't have enough time AND because people haven't been formatting their commit messages correctly?