From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <4AA6E9D5.9050800@chaosphere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1255351359 6623 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2009 12:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:42:39 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 14:42:29 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MxKEO-0005gP-Ea for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:42:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55917 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MxKEN-0001LH-VV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:42:28 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 53 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.2.234.140 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1255349177 16635 127.0.0.1 (12 Oct 2009 12:06:17 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.2.234.140; posting-account=ekTE0goAAADiVCThPmo4ph0C5bTUhQOx User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 grimoire.wyplay.int:3128 (squid/2.5.STABLE14) X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009061118 Fedora/3.0.11-1.fc9 Firefox/3.0.11, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:173790 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68878 Archived-At: On Sep 9, 4:55=A0am, Bastien wrote: > Jeff Clough writes: > > Okay, so I'm seriously considering switching from Thunderbird to Emacs > > (under Windows XP) for my mail and calendar needs, but I haven't used > > Emacs for either of these purposes in so long I don't know if it's > > feasible, nor am I certain which modes are "best". =A0I'm hoping that s= ome > > of you can point me in the right direction. =A0I'd "just do it" as a te= st, > > but I'd rather not go through a crap ton of hassle and problems only to > > hear later "You should not have used foo mode for that, bar mode is wha= t > > you want". > > Check Gnus and Org. > > http://gnus.org/manual.htmlhttp://orgmode.org/ > > > 1. =A0It needs to work on Windows XP without having to install a > > unix/posix environment like Cygwin. =A0I *am* willing to install discre= te > > utilities if necessary (if Emacs doesn't do POP on its own and needs > > some external program to do it, for instance). > > AFAIK Emacs + Gnus works fine under Windows. > > > 2. =A0I have just under seven thousand messages in various folders (mbo= x > > files) that I'll be wanting to keep, so it needs to not choke and die > > when confronted with "many" messages. > > It's okay. =A0 > Well, what do you mean by 'okay' ? Opening huge groups (> 1000 articles) is just slow with Gnus, really. Fetching the headers, sorting and displaying the articles by using the thread view. takes years. It's like Gnus is using some O(n2) algos. Doing the same thing with thunderbird is incredibly faster. Another important drawback, is that since gnus is written in elisp, it doesn't have any multithread support in it. So if you're doing some actions that take a while (and there are, news/mail server can be slow), the whole emacs process (where gnus is running) is just stuck. Don't get me wrong, I use GNUS (maybe because I spent so much time in it, I don't want to admit I was wrong ;) but you must be ready to spent some time to configure it and to adopt it and I'm wondering if it really worth the trouble specially if the OP is not interested in news group...