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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305969 Archived-At: On 07/05/2023 22:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Packages to install: 23 (xref-1.6.3 verilog-mode-2022.12.18.181110314 use-package-2.4.5 tramp-2.6.0.4 svg-1.1 soap-client-3.2.1 so-long-1.1.2 python-0.28 project-0.9.8 org-9.6.5 ntlm-2.1.0 nadvice-0.4 map-3.3.1 let-alist-1.0.6 jsonrpc-1.0.17 flymake-1.3.4 external-completion-0.1 erc-5.5 eldoc-1.14.0 eglot-1.15 cl-lib-0.7.1 cl-generic-0.3 bind-key-2.4.1). Packages to upgrade: 2 (editorconfig-0.9.1 inspector-0.29). Proceed? (y or n) At least nadvice, cl-lib and cl-generic seem to be the odd ones (the built-in versions are higher, and the ELPA packages are supposed to be used as shims or backward compatibility wrappers). That looks like a bug. Regarding potential downsides in general: - We simply increase the odds of breakage when a built-in package is upgraded because it will reach more people, across different Emacs versions. There is good and bad in that (features will reach them faster too), but it's something to consider. - I very rarely use Tramp or Org. I don't use ERC or bind-key. Or so-long, python, ntlm, use-package, verilog-mode. Unlike other installed packages (which I have hand-picked), these packages are here just by the virtue of being included in Emacs, but flipping the pref will also cause them to be upgraded (downloaded, take time unarchiving, take up space) every time there is a new version out. It's nothing dangerous (probably), but seems unfortunate anyway.