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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: f92capac@gmail.com, tino.calancha@gmail.com,
	9300@debbugs.gnu.org, Brief Busters <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:47:27 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c5565dd9-711e-43a0-972f-2a484e2c4018@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-tV--TAC8zLfu33Z2=9-KU2ohDXpSHY5=r5F0ZwPMD1Bau2g@mail.gmail.com>


> Isn't the safest and simplest solution to rename the current
> *-at-point to *-near-point, keep the *-at-point names as obsolete
> aliases, and add new *-precisely-at-point functions with the
> definitions from the thingatpt+ library? That way, current users of
> *-at-point who happen to be relying the on *-near-point functionality
> won't break. Only downside I can see is a slightly longer name for the
> *-precisely-at-point callers, but that doesn't seem too bad.
> 
> What you do think?

That's possible (and I appreciate your trying to find a
diplomatic way to get this bug fixed), but I don't think
that is the best approach.

We should aim to have a reasonable name, not just something
that doesn't conflict.  There is little sense in abandoning
the most reasonable name for this, IMO.  This is what the
library is intended for: returning a thing at point.

If the name "*-at-point" is kept (for behavior that is really
at point) then the worst that will happen is that some users
might complain that they no longer get a thing that is before
point but not also at point.

And that won't even happen for distributed Emacs code, which
should replace any appropriate calls to *-at by *-near (where
appropriate means that you really do want to retrieve the
thing before point as well as the thing at point).

This is a simple off-by-one bug.  It really should not require
anything to be deprecated.  Just because someone might have
gotten used to the bugged behavior is not a good reason not
to fix this bug.

If going the direction you suggest is the best compromise
that can be had, I'd suggest using the name *-at-pt instead
of *-precisely-at-point.  IOW, just change "point" to "pt".

That's not the fix I prefer, and it hurts discoverability
(matches against "point"), and it doesn't jibe with names
such as `find-file-at-point', but I think it's better than
something as artificial as *-precisely-at-point.  That name
just makes one wonder.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-21  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-14 22:36 bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING Drew Adams
2016-06-20  9:21 ` Tino Calancha
2016-06-20 12:53   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-20 13:11     ` Tino Calancha
2016-06-20 14:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21  3:01     ` Tino Calancha
     [not found]   ` <<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-06-20 17:50     ` Drew Adams
2016-06-20 18:38       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-20 20:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21  6:14         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-21 12:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 13:07             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-21 15:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 13:31             ` Drew Adams
2016-06-21 15:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-22  5:23             ` Fwd: " Andreas Röhler
2016-07-06 21:21               ` John Wiegley
2016-07-06 21:51                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-06 23:31                   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-07  8:00                     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-21 13:25           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <<<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83twgn7hjx.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-06-20 23:34         ` Drew Adams
2016-06-20 23:59           ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-21  0:47             ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found] <<B1052724B2D446C59E233FC1BD437723@us.oracle.com>
2015-07-29  1:44 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-15 13:33   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  1:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-23  6:37       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  7:59         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-02-23 10:22         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-23 16:15           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  0:52             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-24  1:31               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26  1:03                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26  1:44                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26 10:15                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26 14:39                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26 15:25                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26 17:00                           ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 11:24       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 15:49         ` Drew Adams

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