From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:47:53 +1300 Message-ID: References: <1M2WN8RSJh3rnvRYoGKu2FOYFosKFsYxRLesaZKzA6dmdXLvGsxZNON-D3zRMgv-FkPqF2qFTurWu3u2ruoKK1QSzHheoICPo2MIi7VR6lc=@proton.me> <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7361"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: uzibalqa Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 00:48:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oikWX-0001hj-Js for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:48:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37700 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikWW-00078p-A3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:48:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikWB-00078f-Ux for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:48:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59520) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikWA-0007PV-3E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:48:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikW9-0003kE-Lm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:48:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166561487814379 (code B ref 58459); Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:48:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2022 22:47:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikW5-0003jq-Jt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:47:57 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:57745) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikW4-0003jZ-3x for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=24568 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikW1-0004jm-HZ; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:47:53 +1300 Original-Received: from ip-116-251-140-135.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.140.135]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:47:53 +1300 In-Reply-To: <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245254 Archived-At: On 2022-10-13 10:11, uzibalqa wrote: > I am continually amazed how unreactive emacs maintainers can be to > users. Either shaming them, make them look stupid Wow? This discussion has been between you and Stefan Kangas, and at no point has Stefan been anything other than polite and informative! > but then months or years later, it gets recognised they were right > all along. This is how X resources have always worked (for decades) -- I can't imagine them changing, and Emacs provides ways for you to inhibit them (or indeed add to them). You said you saw the problem with this: emacs -q --no-site-file --no-splash but not with "emacs -Q". The documentation says: ‘-Q’ ‘--quick’ Start Emacs with minimum customizations. This is similar to using ‘-q’, ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, ‘--no-x-resources’, and ‘--no-splash’ together. So the difference that using -Q made was equivalent to adding these: --no-site-lisp --no-x-resources And as discussed, it's specifically this: ‘--no-x-resources’ Do not load X resources. You can also achieve this effect by setting the variable ‘inhibit-x-resources’ to ‘t’ in your initialization file (*note Resources::). So you can use either of those solutions if you don't wish to change the X resources configured on your system. -Phil