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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261000 Archived-At: On 16.12.2020 16:06, Gregory Heytings wrote: > >> >> I also think the poll is heavily biased in favor of either Reddit >> users (who are largely either power-users, or those who inspire to >> be), or experienced Emacs users in general. >> > > That's not factually correct. > > Only 1/3 of the respondents came from Reddit. Another 20% came from hacker news, and a bit more - from lobste.rs. While it's not a given that those respondents are as heavily into Emacs, those forums tend to feature power users as well. Regarding the rest, we don't really know. > And the number of years repondents have been using Emacs is for 1/3 less > than 4 years, for 1/3 between 4 and 12 years, and for 1/3 more than 12 > years. So 70% of the respondents have been using Emacs for more than 4 years. I'd say that's pretty far into the "experienced user" category. Certainly not people who need to be told how to disable the toolbar, if they want to. And 70% of the respondents disable the toolbar. Might be a coincidence, but there is probably a high degree a correlation.