From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xraysmalevich@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <4885D7FE.5050300@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216741284 3375 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 15:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 17:42:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLK03-0008Ox-1i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:42:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLJz9-00005n-Qn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:41:07 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.178.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216738253 31968 127.0.0.1 (22 Jul 2008 14:50:53 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.183.178.159; posting-account=GWRmcQoAAAByQPzrR7mhf5cbvIm17KAJ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 PROXY1 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 Firefox/2.0.0.16,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160461 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55808 Archived-At: On Jul 22, 10:03 am, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" wrote: > Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > > Of course the term shortcuts is something reminiscent of GUI programs. > > In a text editor menu entries like `compile' might have a shortcut, but > > calling C-b a shortcut seems weird. > > Maybe, but having manual entries in the index for "Shortcut" and "Key > Sequence" would perhaps help a little bit. > > > I don't think there even has to be a name for it ... Help says: "It is > > bound to C-b, .", which sounds reasonable. So what problems could > > a new user have? > > My imagination and experience says me that they could have trouble > searching for things because of the terminology ;-) > > > Maybe custom should support keymaps, and M-x customize-keys could solve > > that problem... > > That would be great yes. "keybinding" is a little weird and kinky, but "shortcut" is a blatant lie in Emacs -- once I've managed to hit "Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Win*-x RET butterfly", any pretense of saving time has gone out the window. I use Emacs because I like how it feels; I use keybindings because they remind me I'm alive... *oh g-d, know you all know my dirty little platform secret :-( But, seriously folks. Keybinding and shortcut keys -- roughly the same. Now, shake hands. --the Other michael