From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:15:29 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200811050725.mA57P6hM028086@zogzog.maillard.mobi> <200811092325.mA9NP34G004081@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Reply-To: Jason Spiro , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226431839 21537 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2008 19:30:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Xavier Maillard" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 20:31:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzyxV-0007qo-43 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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b=PM4jCxlr7Ytcz4Qj2nS8bKu7KnsmYJ9arB6w+YqtHiuNY74K3jFluGwuipiMKPkXAq nbfHfe6nGn8kYs2giFk92Dj5lRBW23ciBFd0mqNS1xHWdX6sLdNK2PiIeJvpWrUI7tgx VQcsNgHgK9lXVD+cqMStKxA3QAlvFFFp7VNQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YBQ0TnCsKIUipLUN6v4978AlOU/DCUdOJt/o/rb+fGBgJCGh088XeMkyc7fJwbbTQl E6gP38Jlp/cJAO3f+BBA5Y+GWbtqWnLbyb9w1Y6cFiQeBxGv6Iq5q39vf3L1Q41ZgAQ7 nbOQ5pzJvGEaQp4ayt/jekU0S1ZPSq9yStQJI= Original-Received: by 10.90.100.17 with SMTP id x17mr7530125agb.75.1226430929432; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:15:29 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.90.83.3 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:15:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200811092325.mA9NP34G004081@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 633f7c4ea9738930 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:30:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22286 Archived-At: 2008/11/9 Xavier Maillard wrote: > What if the screen reader is not working correctly ? The visible > bell could be used to check that something, at least, is working. We could make a function like M-x ring-audible-bell (but you should choose a better name than that) that would let blind / VI (visually impaired) users know that Emacs is working. Or we could design Emacs so that when they launch Emacs using the command "emacspeak", then C-g will always ring the audible bell. This would be slightly more inconvenient for blind / VI users, but IMO much better for fully sighted users.