From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:34:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200811050725.mA57P6hM028086@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Reply-To: Jason Spiro , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225961437 30633 80.91.229.12 (6 Nov 2008 08:50:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Xavier Maillard" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 09:51:39 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ky0aS-0007rk-7M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:34:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.90.70.8 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:34:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200811050725.mA57P6hM028086@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e1a4f8d5ad43803 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:50:17 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22185 Archived-At: Hi Xavier, Re. users with vision loss: They need a screen reader (Emacspeak provides that) or a magnifier utility. But why do they also need beep-on-error? I started a thread at http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.emacspeak.general today to ask if they really need it. And if they do need it, remember they're in the minority. Will they truly mind searching online to learn how to enable it? Re. searching online and reading the documentation: Users don't want to waste time on that. They want to spend their time getting things done. Let's make Emacs an editor for getting things done. -Jason