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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	17272@debbugs.gnu.org, 19064@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#19064: bug#17272: bug#19064: 25.0.50; `message' overwrites `y-or-n-p' prompt, so user misses it
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 13:19:02 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c222d6a7-54fb-4bfe-a66c-afc4d97668bb@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sgmy3x22.fsf@gnus.org>

> > -			    (message "%s" msg))
> > +                            (if (minibufferp)
> > +                                (minibuffer-message "%s" msg)
> > +                              (message "%s" msg)))
> 
> Wouldn't it make more sense to just have `message' behave like
> `minibuffer-message' if '(minibufferp)'?  Otherwise all async code will
> have to have this code snippet.

FWIW, I disagree very much with the patch - and
with Lars's suggestion.

Both `message' and `minibuffer-message' are useful
when the minibuffer is active.  They behave very
differently, and each behavior is useful.

`message' interrupts your minibuffer dialog
temporarily (and how & how much can be controlled).
And it logs to `*Messages*' (and that can be
controlled).  Use it when it's appropriate to do
those things (particularly the interruption).

`minibuffer-message' uses the same real estate,
at the same time, as your minibuffer input.

It is definitely NOT the case that it is always
most useful for a message while the minibuffer
is active to be delivered by just appending it
to your input, and not interrupting the dialog.
___

The problem described by the bug report needs to
be solved some other way.  It has nothing to do,
necessarily, with `minibuffer-message' versus
`message'.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-08 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-15 18:38 bug#19064: 25.0.50; `message' overwrites `y-or-n-p' prompt, so user misses it Drew Adams
2015-12-26 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:19   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-26 17:45     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-26 17:57       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-07 17:41         ` bug#17272: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-08  9:15           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08 15:44             ` bug#17272: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-05 23:10           ` bug#19064: " Juri Linkov
2019-11-08 20:58             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-08 21:19               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-11-09 23:01               ` bug#19064: " Juri Linkov
2019-11-12  2:13                 ` bug#17272: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-12 15:34                   ` Drew Adams
2019-11-12 22:20                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-12 23:23                       ` bug#17272: " Drew Adams
2019-11-13 21:29                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-11-13 21:53                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-13 23:24                       ` bug#17272: " Drew Adams
2019-11-14 15:46                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-11-14 16:28                           ` bug#17272: " Drew Adams
2019-11-14 17:06                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-11-14 17:17                               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-14 20:29                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-11-16 20:53                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-16 22:37                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-11-17  1:42                                       ` bug#19064: bug#17272: " Drew Adams
2019-11-17 21:58                                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 23:54                                           ` bug#19064: " Drew Adams
2019-11-17  5:52                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17  5:52                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 21:59                                       ` bug#17272: " Juri Linkov
2019-11-18 21:10                                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-19  8:13                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-19 11:11                                             ` bug#19064: " João Távora
2019-11-19 22:39                                               ` bug#17272: " Juri Linkov
2019-11-19 23:38                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-20 22:10                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 23:44                                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-21 21:39                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22  7:48                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 19:02                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-23 19:14                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-26 23:18                                                               ` bug#19064: " Juri Linkov
2019-11-27  0:46                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-21  8:22                                                     ` martin rudalics
2019-11-21 21:44                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22  8:08                                                         ` martin rudalics
2019-11-23 18:56                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-23 19:16                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 22:28                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 10:55                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 22:18                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-21 21:54                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-21 23:07                                                     ` bug#19064: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-23 21:54                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-26 23:44                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27 11:55                                                   ` bug#19064: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-28 22:45                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-06 22:18       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-09 22:57       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-10  9:46         ` martin rudalics
2019-11-10 20:45           ` bug#38164: quit-restore-window doesn't restore point in man Juri Linkov
2019-11-11  9:33             ` martin rudalics
2019-11-12 20:50               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-13  8:04                 ` martin rudalics
2019-11-13 21:29                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-14  9:20                     ` martin rudalics
2019-11-14 23:13                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-15  8:13                         ` martin rudalics
2019-11-18 21:21                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-19  3:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19  7:56                               ` martin rudalics
2019-11-19 16:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 16:53                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-11-19 17:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 18:15                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-11-19 23:03                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20  7:59                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-11-20 22:35                                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 16:02                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-21 13:08                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-04 18:13                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-04-04 18:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-04 19:19                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-04 19:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-04 19:40                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-04 19:38                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:53     ` bug#19064: 25.0.50; `message' overwrites `y-or-n-p' prompt, so user misses it Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:10     ` Eli Zaretskii

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