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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321140 Archived-At: On 02/07/2024 06:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I still think we need to find a better binding for C-o, FWIW. > [...] >>> What do you use it for? > I'm also curious to know how people use `C-o`, which I never ever use. > >> What do you expect? Opening a new line? > Not sure what answer Daniel was looking for, but for me at least the > question is about the "context" where you use `C-o`. E.g. I can see > someone doing > > C-o foo bar > > but I don't see the benefit compared to > > foo bar RET A lot of times I used it due to the expectation that RET will reindent the current line and will do so incorrectly (which happens). Looks like C-j is a possible alternative, but somehow that didn't grow into the muscle memory, and in some buffers it does something different (e.g. inside *scratch*).