From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 26.1 release branch created Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:29 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <20170921205447.GA8240@ACM> <83tvzvcidg.fsf@gnu.org> <20170922184159.GB7229@ACM> <20170922193511.GC7229@ACM> <20170922220700.GD7229@ACM> <20170924143939.GC5725@ACM> <20170924194139.GA6793@ACM> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506298161 22328 195.159.176.226 (25 Sep 2017 00:09:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:09:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 To: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 25 02:09:15 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwGxS-00054C-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 02:09:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39986 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwGxY-0001aO-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:09:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43535) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwGwx-0001a5-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:08:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwGww-0008FF-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwGwr-0008Cz-1n; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:08:33 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D6E160E0D; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id flm4GSvzjpyS; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B48E160E13; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id RlsZ0FAqqFWP; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.18.85]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58DA7160E0D; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218762 Archived-At: John Wiegley wrote: > I've been scanning the messages in this thread, but I must admit I'm no= t > seeing the forest for the trees. Can someone summarize the points to be > decided here? The main issue is whether text-quoting-style should be customizable, as o= pposed=20 to being a simple Lisp variable as it is now. Eli said "no", you said "ye= s", and=20 as I recall this issue was unresolved the last time it was mentioned on t= his=20 list. (I don't care, myself.) The latest email flurry is minor by comparison. The main issues there are= about=20 the Elisp manual, and are: 1. Whether the manual should recommend routinely let-binding text-quoting= -style,=20 a style that Alan favors. I think it should recommend the (message "%s" .= ..) style that the Emacs source code itself uses, as this style is more flexi= ble and=20 reliable. (I can give examples of why, if you care.) 2. Alan wants the description of every affected function to have a big pa= ragraph=20 about text quoting, whereas I prefer to replace those big paragraphs with= short=20 blurbs that reference a single (new) section that covers the issue in mor= e=20 detail than the big paragraphs would.