From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Multi-line input Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<<87fvds2r5i.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zjbokx0t.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<546E1845.2010301@dancol.org> <87oarjklgc.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> > <>> <<94e0230f-c396-4266-8ada-9816d8118946@default>> <> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417884340 25315 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 16:45:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 17:45:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxIU3-0008Bw-NQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:45:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54888 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxIU3-00006i-9f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:45:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxITg-0008Ni-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxITW-00050n-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:18173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxITV-00050g-Vz; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sB6Gip3f002898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:44:52 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB6GioSk024381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:44:51 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB6GioAs014595; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:44:50 GMT In-Reply-To: <> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179190 Archived-At: > Control J *is* a newline char. >=20 > You know that, and I know that, but most users don't know that. Which is why I said: * "Make `C-j' self-inserting in more keymaps" - users will find it and use it. (They already do so for search.) * "Instead of treating that as an aberration or some secret incantation, we should (and we do, for the most part) simply make the Control J <=3D> newline relationship, and hence `C-q C-j' for insertion, known from the outset. Emacs users, like GNU/Linux users in general, should be aware of this, if they make explicit use of newline chars." IOW, making `C-j' self-insert generally, pretty much everywhere, and documenting it prominently, will take it out of the closet.