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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305420 Archived-At: On 18/04/2023 20:49, João Távora wrote: >> But if that is impossible or impractical for some reason in this >> particular case, then it simply means that users of Emacs 29 will be >> unable to upgrade Eglot without also risking less stability due to >> upgrading the dependencies. Again, if you don't think this >> "dependencies hell" is a Bad Thing in general, we will have to agree >> to disagree. > No, it doesn't mean that, at all. First, dependencies exist. And here > it's not hell at all, not IME. Secondly, stability is a matter of > expectations. Eglot users_expect_ :core dependencies to be upgraded > when they request Eglot to be upgraded. That's the way it has always > worked for ~5 years. And non-Eglot users_also_ expect that, because > installing any non-:core ELPA package that depends on :core packages > has_also_ always produced that behaviour for dependencies. To my recollection, Eglot historically only raised the dependency versions when it needed to -- to bring in some required feature. Which is quite reasonable from my POV. Although I see some very recent more bumps for xref and project there, those I didn't expect, but they probably follow the same logic.