From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:54:25 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877hyp3by2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87r5wvdw57.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <833a991sf6.fsf@gnu.org> <83y6r1yy63.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246942509 5439 80.91.229.12 (7 Jul 2009 04:55:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 07 06:54:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MO2ha-0007Lv-R2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:54:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33633 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MO2ha-00055X-76 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:54:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MO2hV-00055Q-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MO2hP-000551-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49356 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MO2hP-00054x-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:58194) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MO2hL-0002kq-6T; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:54:31 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n674sNu1022888; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:54:25 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:54:25 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.112.173] [10.114.112.173]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:54:25 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id B45B152E206; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:54:25 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <83y6r1yy63.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:22:44 +0300") Original-Lines: 34 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112119 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> How, exactly, is message-mode an "imposition" on "people who are happy >> with simple modes"? > > If you insist on everyone switching to message-mode and making > mail-mode obsolete, you are imposing message-mode on them. "imposition" is pejorative; it implies that the people being imposed upon will suffer in some way. Since I don't see any obvious negative effect from switching to message-mode (counter-examples welcome!), using a pejorative term doesn't really seem warranted. >> Please, please, somebody who asserts that mail-mode is necessary, give >> some concrete examples as to _why_. > > Maybe someone else will. This old fart simply doesn't want to learn a > new mode unless it's absolutely necessary. Is this so hard to > understand? What if the new mode is effectively indistinguishable from the old mode? See, _that's_ why I'm so confused -- message-mode is not some kind of wacky new UI, it seems to me to be pretty much _the same_ as mail-mode from the user's point of view. If I'm wrong about this, I'd like to know. I've used both, so I think I have _some_ clue, but maybe I'm missing something. Thanks, -Miles -- Consult, v.i. To seek another's disapproval of a course already decided on.