From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Major usability issue Date: 04 Sep 2002 10:58:36 +0900 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031104660 16601 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2002 01:57:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mPQJ-0004Jb-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:57:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mPRp-0007u0-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:59:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mPRL-0007qo-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:58:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mPRJ-0007qW-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:58:43 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.214]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mPRI-0007qE-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.197]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id g841wcE02765; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:58:38 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id g841wc512723; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:58:38 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.30.114.133]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id g841wbe14036; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:58:37 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/3.7Wlsi_mx_6.0) with ESMTP id g841was24087; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:58:36 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 83B4A36F4; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:58:36 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 19 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1027 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1027 Barry Margolin writes: > It's been doing it this way for quite some time. I still use 20.7 and it > performs this heuristic. The difference is that in versions prior to 21.1, the echo-area could only display one line, so the split between `display in echo-area' and `pop up a window' naturally occured at 2 lines. In emacs 21.x, the echo-area can expand to show multiple lines, so the echo-area gets used more often. [So one way to avoid this behavior is to set `max-mini-window-height' to 1.] Of course, if the _reason_ someone wants to get to the output buffer is to cut the text and insert it into the current buffer, it's much better to just use a prefix-argument to `shell-command', which does exactly the right thing... -Miles -- Suburbia: where they tear out the trees and then name streets after them.