From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes in lisp/Makefile.in to skip preloaded files Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:33:35 +0900 Message-ID: References: <837hv9neza.fsf@gnu.org> <8363asoov2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254821897 13468 80.91.229.12 (6 Oct 2009 09:38:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 11:38:08 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mv6UZ-0005Vk-DU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:38:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52875 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mv6UY-0008Kb-V1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mv6Qa-000712-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mv6QU-0006zy-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43210 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mv6QT-0006zt-Qv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:33:45 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:43588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mv6QN-0007Us-QU; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.54]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n969Xb74018228; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:33:37 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:33:36 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.114.39] [10.114.114.39]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:33:36 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 73F6652E1E4; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:33:36 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <8363asoov2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:25:53 +0200") Original-Lines: 17 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115918 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > P.S. I generally find any Make or shell/Sed trickery misplaced in > Emacs Makefiles, since we have the full power of Emacs at our > fingertips. Portability is one obvious advantage, but more > importantly, it sounds right, in the context of building Emacs, to use > Emacs itself wherever we can. Otherwise, we appear as not believing > in the tool we are developing. Don't you agree? Well, of course that's only true if a built emacs is available at the point of invocation. Also, the elisp code to do a given text munging job is often quite a bit longer, because sed is designed specifically to do certain tasks very concisely. -Miles -- Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. -- Steven Wright