From: Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il>,
jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer
Date: 13 Nov 2002 13:40:18 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <buosmy6rsjx.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <shheen1c9k.fsf@tux.gnu.franken.de>
Karl Eichwalder <keichwa@gmx.net> writes:
> > Where the menu item's text is self-explanatory, there usually is no
> > tooltip that pops up. In other words, tooltips for menu items
> > should be defined only where they are really needed.
>
> That's even worth ;) If you want to sell a product consistency is an
> important issue. The ideal goal should be: all or nothing. If
> tooltips appear only now and then, the user might think there is
> something broken.
Tooltips in Gnome (at least on my system!) are often `consistent' to the
point of stupidity: in many cases a tooltip is popped up with _exactly_
the same text as the menu item or for icons, the same text repeated
_twice_ in the tooltip (presumably one line is the `label' and the other
is the `description')! This not only seems odd, it seems broken.
Clearly in many cases it's really the fault of the application or the
user that added an icon or whatever without a good description -- but
that's the real world, such things exist.
Perhaps it would be better to could pop up a tooltip that says
`This tooltip intentionally left blank'...
The way I use tooltips is to pause over something and wait to see if
something pops up; if nothing does, I just think `oh there's no tooltip
for that.' Maybe I'm wierd, but since I gained this habit by using
non-emacs programs (emacs being a relative newcomer to using tooltips), I
think there must be something to it.
[Indeed, it would seem that Gnome's insistence on `consistency' in this
case may actually be damaging, by actually _causing_ people to think that
`everything must have a tooltip']
-Miles
--
`...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive
that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products
less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.' [The Economist]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-11-13 4:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-11-07 19:39 Gtk version getting closer Jan D.
2002-11-08 0:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-08 9:21 ` jasonr
2002-11-08 9:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-11-08 11:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-08 10:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-11-09 14:27 ` Jan D.
2002-11-09 21:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-09 11:53 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-09 14:16 ` Jan D.
2002-11-11 10:19 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-09 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-11 10:19 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-11 18:36 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-12 5:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-12 7:24 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-12 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 4:40 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-11-13 5:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 13:21 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-13 15:38 ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-13 17:58 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 20:07 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 23:03 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 15:55 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-13 18:23 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-13 18:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-13 21:15 ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 18:58 ` David Masterson
2002-11-13 16:52 ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-11-14 12:16 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 16:46 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-15 2:20 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 12:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
[not found] ` <m18EUbO-000IeAC@localhost>
2002-11-20 22:08 ` Bold by moving pixels problem Miles Bader
2002-11-21 0:21 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-21 1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-21 1:44 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <m18HRR2-000IeBC@localhost>
2002-12-17 5:00 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-17 6:28 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-17 7:08 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 10:01 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 12:26 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-12-19 8:34 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 10:18 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 12:18 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-12-19 11:27 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 12:25 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 13:55 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-01-07 11:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-01-07 14:02 ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09 7:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 7:52 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 14:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-12-19 10:15 ` signal handling bogosities Miles Bader
2002-12-20 17:12 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-20 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-20 18:35 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-12-20 22:06 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 20:26 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-21 23:42 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-12-23 20:58 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-22 2:02 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 2:27 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-23 20:58 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-17 10:31 ` Bold by moving pixels problem Kim F. Storm
2002-12-17 16:38 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-12-17 23:54 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-21 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-16 1:34 ` Gtk version getting closer Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 12:16 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-12 12:34 ` Jan D.
2002-11-12 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 10:15 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 12:16 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 20:13 ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 16:55 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-14 17:25 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 4:09 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 17:49 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 21:47 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 21:30 ` David Masterson
2002-11-16 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-16 16:11 ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 11:32 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-13 17:09 ` David Masterson
2002-11-14 17:31 ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:22 ` David Masterson
2002-11-16 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-18 5:06 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 2:36 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-15 4:04 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 16:36 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-15 18:46 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 21:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-15 22:35 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 17:33 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 18:55 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 23:18 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-16 0:44 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-15 18:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-19 13:26 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-20 21:13 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-20 21:56 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-21 0:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-22 21:00 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-21 0:38 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-21 13:09 ` Kenichi Handa
2002-11-21 14:08 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-21 21:47 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 18:13 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 19:03 ` David Masterson
2002-11-09 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-10 9:02 ` Jan D.
2002-11-11 10:20 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-21 15:26 jasonr
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