From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:23 +0900 Message-ID: References: <45585da455c2b8.455c2b845585da@net.lu.se> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119864474 24879 80.91.229.2 (27 Jun 2005 09:27:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Reitter , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 27 11:27:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmptS-00033K-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:27:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmq14-0005rH-74 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmpxX-0004q4-4z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmpxS-0004nr-6t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:31:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmpxR-0004lr-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [210.143.35.52] (helo=tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dmpv8-0001wM-AO; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp (mailgate54.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.193]) by tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id j5R9OQm28381; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:26 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id j5R9OQV15930; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:26 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.54]) by mailsv5.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id j5R9OPT27422; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:25 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:25 +0900 Original-Received: from edtmg02.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.202] [10.26.16.202]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:25 +0900 Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg02.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5R9OOZN008866; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mctpc71 (mctpc71.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp [10.30.118.121]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id j5R9ONKt007350; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:23 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mctpc71 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 80330418; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:24:23 +0900 (JST) Original-To: LENNART BORGMAN System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <45585da455c2b8.455c2b845585da@net.lu.se> (LENNART BORGMAN's message of "Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:04:24 +0200") Original-Lines: 20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39639 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39639 LENNART BORGMAN writes: >> I explained why I don't like "New File Buffer". Instead of "Visit", >> maybe some other verb is clearer, such as "Start", "Prepare", "Edit". > > I believe "New " is far better than your last > suggestions. They are not familiar in this context. It's better to use a slightly less common word than not make sense. "Familiar in this context" is not some sort of trump card, merely one thing to consider. The Emacs command is indeterminate (as to whether the file exists or not), so the menu name should be as well. I like "Visit File" best myself; another possibility is to use explicitly indeterminate wording, like "New/Open File". -Miles -- The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --Albert Einstein