From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:39:38 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> <6161f3180905270548t3012bc1ah161719ae01db0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0905310609u348fd1dsa4a8bf05b37356d9@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243824012 23610 80.91.229.12 (1 Jun 2009 02:40:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org, stephen@xemacs.org, eliz@gnu.org, "Andrew W. Nosenko" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Deniz Dogan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 01 04:40:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MAxRP-0002AK-Hf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:39:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46356 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAxRO-0000Ut-K9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAxRJ-0000TZ-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAxRE-0000T6-EA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55949 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAxRE-0000T3-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:48 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.206]:43170) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MAxR9-0000JU-Uh; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n512ddoO009235; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:39:39 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:39:39 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.114.58] [10.114.114.58]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:39:38 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id E5A9A52E26E; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:39:38 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0905310609u348fd1dsa4a8bf05b37356d9@mail.gmail.com> (Deniz Dogan's message of "Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:01 +0200") Original-Lines: 21 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111233 Archived-At: Deniz Dogan writes: > I wouldn't be in favor of binding M-n and M-p by default as I have > bound them to forward-paragraph and backward-paragraph, respectively, > and I'm sure many other people have bound important stuff to those two > combinations as well. M-n/M-p are widely used in various modes, so it seems bad to given them global bindings with such a general meaning. > Regarding the idea with the arrow keys, even though I think that > ideally the arrow keys and their C- counterparts should behave the > same at all times, it *is* a good suggestion, since newcomers often > want to move by visual lines and use the arrow keys, while > "old-timers" often want the opposite and often use C-n/C-p. It's a bad suggestion (see my other responses on this thread for an explanation). -miles -- Liberty, n. One of imagination's most precious possessions.