From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:00 +0900 Message-ID: References: <54A5E41E3FD446F590AA580D90C5B518@us.oracle.com> <56DF3F5FED9445EAB0C666DE0904BAC2@us.oracle.com> <87fxes5p4n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <7b501d5c0905260437l2a14fd21nd319f4eeb4e3d972@mail.gmail.com> <4A1BF4A0.3000609@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243392655 29263 80.91.229.12 (27 May 2009 02:50:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 02:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Deniz Dogan , Jason Rumney , Stefan Monnier , Tassilo Horn , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Drew Adams To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 27 04:50:50 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M99E9-0000OU-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 04:50:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46000 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M99E9-0006oK-5B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M99E4-0006oF-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M99Dz-0006o0-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55417 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M99Dy-0006nx-U6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:38028) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M99Dv-0004be-3e; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.54]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4R2o010016501; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:00 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:00 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.113.45] [10.114.113.45]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:00 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 508F052E237; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:00 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 26 May 2009 22:21:40 +0200") Original-Lines: 17 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111133 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: >> line-movement is not involved in printing. But any non-interactive use >> probably falls into the same category as macros. > > Eh, yes, but printing is quite closely related here due to that > visual-line-move turns on word-wrap. visual-line-mode does, but that's not what's being discussed... [What's being discussed is the default behavior of line-movement; the new default behavior is only controversial because it applies even when visual-line-mode is _not_ enabled...] -miles -- Un-American, adj. Wicked, intolerable, heathenish.